tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post212683359883216270..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Blue Post: "Our intent was not to nerf Balance druid dps."Graylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-18647229249605186572009-12-03T08:17:01.661-06:002009-12-03T08:17:01.661-06:00Doesn't work like that any more I'm afraid...Doesn't work like that any more I'm afraid. If you unequip an idol, you lose any associated buff it provides.<br /><br />You used to be able to do it in TBC ( I wasn't a moonkin back them) with the idols then, but it was fixed.Getafixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-89394171953980076422009-12-02T23:18:07.999-06:002009-12-02T23:18:07.999-06:00sorry for offtopic, but im just wondering , if we ...sorry for offtopic, but im just wondering , if we will be able to proc both crit rating idolsat same time? 200crit one and new 220 one.. probobly not, but if new idol will proc from each tick and work 15 seconds.. rest 14 seconds we can use Starfire idol or wrath.am i right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-41671350191747988322009-12-02T10:54:23.809-06:002009-12-02T10:54:23.809-06:00After doing real quick napkin math (hoping graylo ...After doing real quick napkin math (hoping graylo will do the real work >.>), wearing 4pc t9 and the new eclipse, we will be getting a good enough change to scale very greatly with ICC level items. While I agree the fix is cheap, I'm not at all surprised because of how soon the patch is appearing to go live. Mmo champ is speculating next week, even if it came out on new years day, that is not a good enough amount of time to create a new mechanic and test it, just to fix a macro/addon issue.Aabrahmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-70334051168875586972009-12-02T08:55:37.589-06:002009-12-02T08:55:37.589-06:00Superku im not using 2xt8 im wearing 4xt9.
But yes...Superku im not using 2xt8 im wearing 4xt9.<br />But yes the wrath part will be a fix but still it is as usual a half done fix.Xaktsarothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-24611082235361906392009-12-02T08:49:41.194-06:002009-12-02T08:49:41.194-06:00Remember that you are losing 15% crit on your ecli...Remember that you are losing 15% crit on your eclipsed starfires when you are no longer using T8. You just got 10 of those back for free. <br /><br />Also remember that you are getting a free 10% damage buff to your eclipsed wraths. <br /><br />I think you don't completely understand the concept "damage upgrade" because this is clearly one. :pSuperkunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-73392983464813097942009-12-02T08:07:43.305-06:002009-12-02T08:07:43.305-06:00What maragon linked to is what the ano poster abov...What maragon linked to is what the ano poster above wrote. The spell detail for eclipse on ptr.<br /><br />My self have thought about our scaling issues and the love and hate relation we have against Eclipse.<br />From the brainstorm post GC made about maybe making each eclipse procc have X amount of charges on each made me think about why not make the opposite ?<br /><br />What I mean is that Eclipse is a passive buff that lets youre next 10 Starfires and Wraths procc a stacking buff.<br />For example having each Starfire hit increase Starfires damage by X%/application and when it hits 10 stacks it resets and is put on cooldown for X amount of seconds.<br />Wrath I supose could get the same type of effect not really sure what it else could be. Fun factor might be a bit low tough if both has same buff.<br /><br />Getting even more critt on starfire component on eclipse feels like it will not be really usefull as it is in TOTC25 now its not rare for me to sit on 70-90% critts on Starfire considering stat upgrades from T10 content it feels like this will do little to actually up our damage.Xaktsarothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-14129930313232834922009-12-02T07:42:40.085-06:002009-12-02T07:42:40.085-06:00It's just the tooltip of eclipse on ptr, showi...It's just the tooltip of eclipse on ptr, showing the same change as is mentioned in the posts before.Superkunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-20969737477222444842009-12-02T06:36:16.176-06:002009-12-02T06:36:16.176-06:00@maragon:
pls post content due to firewall issues@maragon:<br />pls post content due to firewall issuesscheinheilighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762682347831265858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-2812181036959737922009-12-02T05:09:25.364-06:002009-12-02T05:09:25.364-06:00Also, this:
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/48525/
...Also, this:<br /><br />http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/48525/<br /><br /><br />-AlleineMaragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12231231272552028973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-9193141953659040212009-12-02T01:18:02.573-06:002009-12-02T01:18:02.573-06:00[quote]I got onto the PTR for the last PTR build t...[quote]I got onto the PTR for the last PTR build to find their change to compensate Moonkin DPS for the WE nerf.<br />Turns out they changed Eclipse<br /><br />Damage portion for Wrath has been increased to 40% and the crit portion for Starfire has been increased to 40%<br /><br />10% increase for both looks like it's just enough to make up for the loss of WE.[/quote]<br /><br />Source : http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37039-moonkin_raiding/p101/#post1476894Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-45719672440006114292009-12-01T21:46:32.879-06:002009-12-01T21:46:32.879-06:00@Lilija
"if things stay as they are, this wi...@Lilija<br /><br />"if things stay as they are, this will hurt owls in progressing guilds where the dps might be case of a kill or no kill"<br /><br />I understand you completely. I'm the only moonkin in my guild and tonight, for the first time, I was dropped so they could fill my spot with yet another mage. <br />I'm having the feeling this will quickly become a normal procedure and my moonkin will stay in the bench until I level a mage too...Hedshotxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-89272703745205796462009-12-01T16:18:29.045-06:002009-12-01T16:18:29.045-06:00tkevkeenan:
As much as we would be the envy of al...tkevkeenan:<br /><br />As much as we would be the envy of all other casters, I really like it, but don't see that ever happening. Wonderful idea though.Aabrahmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-72348567475890000942009-12-01T16:01:56.432-06:002009-12-01T16:01:56.432-06:00Love reading your blog, thanks for taking the time...Love reading your blog, thanks for taking the time to write.<br /><br />Commenting on this post; since we are a "hybrid" class anyway, and the assumption is that we are supposed to have lower dps than say a mage or hunter anyway, maybe an interesting way to keep our dps competitive even after 3.3 thru 4 to the nerf to our dps, is to allow boomkins to move and continue to cast our wrath, starfire, etc. Don't make them instant per say, but allow us to move and continue to cast. This would keep our dps at least consistent and maybe competitive.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11432607907755172022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-33256547450537939142009-12-01T15:08:05.608-06:002009-12-01T15:08:05.608-06:00It seems like much of the problem with Eclipse is ...It seems like much of the problem with Eclipse is the loss we suffer if we can't stand still and cast for its full length. Personally, I like the idea of having the buff start out stronger than it currently is, but decay over time to be weaker than it currently is when it ends.<br /><br />That way, if we're able to cast during the whole buff we're getting benefit the whole time, but it's front-loaded so if we can't stick with it we've still gotten most of it's benefit.<br /><br />I think this would also benefit from a mechanic that doesn't start the eclipse buff until we switch to the buffed spell. While the RNG would still have an effect on when the eclipse buff is available to us, we would have some choice in its application; potentially deciding to forgo the eclipse buff for a few seconds in order to have it at a better time.Gillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-5195575114444913152009-12-01T12:13:47.933-06:002009-12-01T12:13:47.933-06:00the previous post about the haste on dots as a sol...the previous post about the haste on dots as a solution was me. Just read your request to identify myself lol.Aabrahmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-57929060904543875722009-12-01T12:09:48.525-06:002009-12-01T12:09:48.525-06:00Quick thought. Would allowing boomkins to have th...Quick thought. Would allowing boomkins to have the DOT haste as well as spriests and aff locks? compensate for the dps loss due to not using an add on to track our lunar to solar cycle (wise eclipse)? THis sounds like a nice quick fix that could potentially help us in the long run, although I would be interested to see how our rotation would be affected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48762284322985696112009-12-01T09:54:20.429-06:002009-12-01T09:54:20.429-06:00Given the issues that surround our scaling with ha...Given the issues that surround our scaling with haste, especially with Nature's Grace and Wrath, i doubt anything will happen before cataclysm. It's going to take too much of a fix to manage it for 3.3 or 4.0 in my opinion. <br /><br />I just hope they come up with a way to make the issue more manageable, though given the time they have to fix it, im sure they will.Saelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01012637045829759644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-12984339251170297932009-12-01T08:03:21.273-06:002009-12-01T08:03:21.273-06:00Please Blizz, whatever you do to offset the dps lo...Please Blizz, whatever you do to offset the dps loss in 3.3, don't base it on crit. Things like the T10(4) bonus just compound the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-7639031218489406622009-12-01T07:18:49.239-06:002009-12-01T07:18:49.239-06:00I think the people being content, which happens to...I think the people being content, which happens to include me, isn't considering the spec to be dead weight. Mostly because it isn't. <br /><br />Quick fixes can work in some cases if there are just small tweaks needed. But our main problems are with core functionality of spells and talents. Let me assure you there is absolutely no quick fix for that. Which is why most people don't think anything will happen until Cataclysm.<br /><br />Hopefully they will listen to murmurs and nerf eclipse a bit. That would be very good for us.Superkunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-2583970763383168242009-12-01T03:07:07.717-06:002009-12-01T03:07:07.717-06:00@Graylo
While I do have some ideas as to possible...@Graylo<br /><br />While I do have some ideas as to possible changes, just like everyone else, I don't presume to have a better sense than the devs of how small changes will affect the big picture. That said, I don't believe that we can't be fixed before 4.0; we've seen many cases where all it takes is just a small tweak here or there to make the pieces slip into place. I also don't believe that we had to be in this state as long as we have. And it absolutely kills me that so many are content to wait another 6+ months for the spec to stop being dead weight just because the last twelve have been single-mindedly focused on making Eclipse "work". This shouldn't have happened, and we shouldn't be this okay with it.Daedalushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12479897091838492713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-63051250697150510852009-12-01T01:11:09.710-06:002009-12-01T01:11:09.710-06:00I gues the big question now really is "how ex...I gues the big question now really is "how exactly Blizzard is going ot offset our dps loss in 3.3". I am not a type of whiner really - rather try to overcome my spec's issues in my gameplay. Yet even I notice that while many dpsers in my guild cought up on me with gear and people really take seriously the hardest achievements, I have really hard time keeping up in dps. And my dps didn't get worse since the begining of TotC when I used to top meters ... it got better but theirs got better by more.<br /><br />So well, if things stay as they are, this will hurt owls in progressing guilds where the dps might be case of a kill or no kill. I just really hope that when speaking about offsetting the dps loss they don' thave the T10 buff in mind since that might be a bit late buff...Lilijahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084109517825847060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-58570058239912591232009-11-30T13:34:19.253-06:002009-11-30T13:34:19.253-06:00I think you've pretty well covered the short-t...I think you've pretty well covered the short-term fixes Blizzard would likely make to Eclipse. <br /><br />As for the long-term (Cataclysm), I think it would be interesting to have Eclipse affect all spells of a particular school instead of just the nukes. It would still be procced by the nukes, but would affect things like IS, Starfall, MF, Treants, etc. It would make our rotation more interesting and have us pushing more buttons, plus helping boost our DPS while moving. <br /><br />Naturally, we'd nerf the damage bonus to the nukes to compensate for the bonus to all spells of the nature/arcane schools. But we'd also be less reliant on the Eclipse buff in general, freeing us to shift out of moonkin form more to perhaps heal or something, which I think GC would like. We also don't lose as much DPS from school lockouts in PVP. We could even see larger differences between nature school spells and our arcane ones, where now they are largely similar for our main spells.<br /><br />Just dreams and sketches here, and Blizz might already have their fix. But if I haven't overlooked any glaring issues, I think it would be a fun resolution that helps the spec overall.Talaisiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-6643245693233884162009-11-30T13:07:56.345-06:002009-11-30T13:07:56.345-06:00@Talsh
I wrote:
"My best guess is that they ...@Talsh<br /><br />I wrote:<br />"My best guess is that they will increase the personal buff on Earth and Moon to 6% instead of 3%."<br /><br />Remember EnM has two parts. The 13% that goes to the raid, and the 3% that is Moonkin only. I'm talking about the 3%, not the 13%.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-53002248834940319042009-11-30T12:54:04.101-06:002009-11-30T12:54:04.101-06:00Graylo -
Unfortunately, I don't see our upco...Graylo - <br /><br />Unfortunately, I don't see our upcoming buff presenting itself in an improved Earth & Moon, since it would be a HUGE buff to raid DPS. Not to mention two other classes (DKs and locks) have spells with identical effects, and buffing ours would be (rightfully) seen as unfair. I think something in master shapeshifter is plausible.Talshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-38994079781714196822009-11-30T12:51:23.890-06:002009-11-30T12:51:23.890-06:00@Tsuki
I think you need to go back and read what ...@Tsuki<br /><br />I think you need to go back and read what you wrote and what GC has said.<br /><br />After you say the talent needs to be completely removed, you say you don't think the actual mechanic is so terrible and appreciate the effort into making our rotation more dynamic. <br /><br />You then say one of its core issues is that it's two strong and fixing that would cause different problems.<br /><br />Take a look at GC said. "Swapping from Wrath to Starfire is something we want to encourage." So, you actually agree with GC here. It seems to me that you agree with the goal of the talent.<br /><br />GC then says: "We're more sympathetic to the argument that it might provide too much of a dps increase relative to other talents." This shows that GC recognizes that Eclipse is much stronger then other talents and it may be a problem.<br /><br />GC didn't say that they are happy with the talent exactly as it is. He said it was a linch pin of the balance tree and they don't want to change that.<br /><br />It sounds to me like you agree with him more then you think you do.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.com