tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post3074814955378998616..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Languish ExplainedGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37350155446915551612010-03-10T15:22:51.255-06:002010-03-10T15:22:51.255-06:00I'm curious, does anyone know if languish bene...I'm curious, does anyone know if languish benefits from the 2pc t10 bonus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-41302391423786223242010-02-24T23:46:24.052-06:002010-02-24T23:46:24.052-06:00Gday All, I am new to the moonkin world but I like...Gday All, I am new to the moonkin world but I like to study and bit and get the most out of my character however being a Moonkin noob even tho im 80 there are 2 things hounding me .1- is the 4 piece tier 10 better than the best inslot items posted here due to the set bonus ? 2- I noticed on your last post you had 121212 or 111222 for you rotation now i do use eclispe how my rotation is FF,Wrath,Moonfire, insect swarm and then spam wrath till eclispe process then starfire and i missing something. Any help you be greatly appreciated thanks all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49741143313085068742010-02-24T06:18:55.182-06:002010-02-24T06:18:55.182-06:00I've said it before, and others have said it i...I've said it before, and others have said it in the Comments. THE ONLY WAY YOU LOSE LANGUISH DAMAGE IS IF THE MOB DIES.<br /><br />@graylo<br />I dont want to be a smartass :), but...<br />damage is probably also lost when the moonkin dies.<br /><br />I recommend to send a 4sec prayer to elune's heaven to overcome this problem^^Moonwhispernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-78872161870499041552010-02-22T11:41:18.667-06:002010-02-22T11:41:18.667-06:00Yes, it's not like any of this is original. I...Yes, it's not like any of this is original. It's just that Druids who aren't into the game enough to have ever paid attention to Ignite now need to know how this works, so everyone's talking about it. For the most part, you don't even need to worry about it since it doesn't affect your play at all.<br /><br />The DoT can't crit. I also don't think it can be partially resisted, but a confirm on that would be good (I don't have the set yet). Finally, I don't see why there's any confusion about what procs it, the tooltip clearly says "Starfire and Wrath."<br /><br />All this talk about the Ignite mechanic is honestly just causing confusion--people are constantly thinking that you can lose DPS, that it matters whether you move or don't move, or whether you have gaps in your crits, that's it's better or worse in various random situations, etc. I mean, I like having accurate information out there as much as anyone, but at some point 90% of people only need to know, "it makes your crits 7% stronger, stop worrying about it."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722476612538640230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-80686558670894125682010-02-20T03:30:03.706-06:002010-02-20T03:30:03.706-06:00@Maestro: and what exactly makes you sad about it?...@Maestro: and what exactly makes you sad about it? That both Graylo and you used the same bank metaphor that mages already used to explain ignite?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-13708615863870776492010-02-18T15:00:41.797-06:002010-02-18T15:00:41.797-06:00any languish counters yet?any languish counters yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49455363846042278512010-02-18T09:52:01.816-06:002010-02-18T09:52:01.816-06:00I'm feeling mopey today, so I'm just gonna...I'm feeling mopey today, so I'm just gonna say that I published an article about the mechanic a LONG time ago and this post seems like a double of what I posted. It makes me sad =[Maestrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00115313553294837312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-69882126738017872932010-02-18T08:00:36.191-06:002010-02-18T08:00:36.191-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.wammeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04789293722362014527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-71374981622542401742010-02-18T08:00:08.401-06:002010-02-18T08:00:08.401-06:00I agree with the article that in practise it's...I agree with the article that in practise it's not a big problem that languish is released only when not critting. I'm not interested in dmg meters when the boss is dead, so no worries there. The only (theoretical) downside would be that the followuing situation:<br />boss is at low health and my "languish bank" is filled with many procs. I'm critting like hell but the raid wipes because of some sort of enrage mechanism. I could die although my bank could have enough "potential" damage to kill the boss.<br />Again, a purely theoretical script, but plausible. So i really would like some sort of cure for that situation (max time or no reset of timer)wammeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04789293722362014527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-81622761032568660492010-02-18T07:22:48.493-06:002010-02-18T07:22:48.493-06:00As quick thought: have blizzard effectivly increas...As quick thought: have blizzard effectivly increased the value of haste in high end gear with this bonus?<br /><br />Logic would dictate that the more crits you can get in within a sequence would result in a higher dps bonus should you have to move or alter your rotation. I realise this would not apply to wrath casts at >400 haste, but as for starfire it might be something to look at.Shadowlycaonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-76497122268351546312010-02-18T05:34:25.298-06:002010-02-18T05:34:25.298-06:00I would be shocked if Languish could crit as that ...I would be shocked if Languish could crit as that would be effectively a double-dip on crit<br /><br />If Languish can crit then I would expect to see it hotfixed<br /><br />Regarding the value of Languish, it is so far being a reliable 4-5% of my DPS on most fights it seems. Certainly nice to have :)Aeiedilhttp://www.strayegg.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-74678612219262687432010-02-17T22:11:56.798-06:002010-02-17T22:11:56.798-06:00@Geophery, do you have any logs to support languis...@Geophery, do you have any logs to support languish critting?<br /><br />http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/ability/12217572/71023/Languish <br /><br />98 ticks and no crits, assuming a modest 50% crit, the chances of this happening are around the order of magnitude of -31. For those that do not remember stats from high school, the number is so low to be negligible. Factor in the numerous other following logs that also have no languish crits, I feel confident in stating definitively that languish cannot crit.<br /><br />Two more examples.<br /><br />http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/ability/12217568/71023/Languish<br /><br />http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/ability/12217581/71023/LanguishValrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-64630775497160223952010-02-17T20:34:46.909-06:002010-02-17T20:34:46.909-06:00It definitely works this way, I've crit back t...It definitely works this way, I've crit back to back enough to push my stack up to 7k/tick before.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14565704161879890770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-23681160269848293892010-02-17T17:52:07.188-06:002010-02-17T17:52:07.188-06:00Good explanation.
Is this theory, or could you sh...Good explanation.<br /><br />Is this theory, or could you show data to back it up?<br /><br />I remember the days of rolling ignites, then the days of overwriting ignites....Kodalinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37539702134702367552010-02-17T17:39:30.333-06:002010-02-17T17:39:30.333-06:00I'm curious how much this increases the value ...I'm curious how much this increases the value of crit on gear (+7% better?)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14565704161879890770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-86237694231491489112010-02-17T17:07:53.321-06:002010-02-17T17:07:53.321-06:00Great illustration of this machanic. I too was wo...Great illustration of this machanic. I too was worried I would be losing DPS if I crit really fast over and over.<br /><br />One question though, how does it work with hurricane ticks that crit? Will it apply the languish dot on each crit tick?<br /><br />Also how about starfall crits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-52323269211962611182010-02-17T12:25:21.932-06:002010-02-17T12:25:21.932-06:00I was studing our WMO's from the last weekends...I was studing our WMO's from the last weekends of raiding, and came to the same conclusion. <br />My languish ticked for an avrage of 1100. And the highest tick was for a grand 7k (That would be the result form a 200k critt :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812913277311921020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-73200314257071797322010-02-17T10:46:35.618-06:002010-02-17T10:46:35.618-06:00@ Geo
I get it when you explain it that way. I wa...@ Geo<br /><br />I get it when you explain it that way. I was thinking as it like some sort of like MF. If I keep applying it the DoT never ticks, when it really is like refreshing IS when something procs, the damage just goes up. I'm sold on the 4 set now.<br /><br />Never having played a mage the ignite reference was throwing me off. I need things explained in comparison to moonkin spells. Lol.<br /><br />Thanks to Graylo and Geo for clearing that up.Fealenhttp://cowandbones.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-79575401905775759012010-02-17T09:49:53.691-06:002010-02-17T09:49:53.691-06:00@Fealen -
The Languish DoT does tick if you get s...@Fealen -<br /><br />The Languish DoT does tick if you get successive crits in a row. But each successive crit just refreshes the timer and adds to the bank of damage available. IMO Languish is one of the most fun set bonuses for us since it adds something outside of straight modifiers.<br /><br />Also the Languish DoT is only applied when you crit with Wrath or Starfire, not with any other spell.<br /><br />Overall I would say out tier 10 set bonus is probably the best in the game so far.Geopheryhttp://immortalisguild.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-44113566900509818942010-02-17T09:48:22.708-06:002010-02-17T09:48:22.708-06:00@Anon3
I've only heard that it procs off of y...@Anon3<br /><br />I've only heard that it procs off of your own crits. The Val'kyr from Nibelung and the Reign of Unliving are separate entities and therefore do not benefit from 4T10. I don't know this for sure, but this is how things usually work.<br /><br />@Fealen<br /><br />Show me a parce with 100% crit and zero down time, and then I will worry about this. Fact of the matter is you will always go through periods were you do not crit, and the DoT will tick during these times.<br /><br />I've said it before, and others have said it in the Comments. <b>THE ONLY WAY YOU LOSE LANGUISH DAMAGE IS IF THE MOB DIES.</b> On most fights this is not a concern. On heavy add fights like VDW and Gunship this may be a bit of a concern, but the higher ilevel of gear, and it's relative infrequency should make up for the diffence. Holding on to 2T9 is not a smart move in the long run.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-73560901531445260322010-02-17T09:44:00.720-06:002010-02-17T09:44:00.720-06:00Graylo, Don't forget that the Languish DoT can...Graylo, Don't forget that the Languish DoT can crit as well. So with that in mind it is actually more than 7% increase of your critical strikes.Geopheryhttp://immortalisguild.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-34982234291575789322010-02-17T09:28:55.202-06:002010-02-17T09:28:55.202-06:00Not being a math-crafter I might be missing someth...Not being a math-crafter I might be missing something along the math figures but wouldn't the Languish be deemed useless if you Crit in such amount the bank never has time to tick down?<br /><br />I battling myself about taking the 4set instead of keeping my 2set T9/2set T10 cause it seems like languish could be a DPS loss in the long run.<br /><br />It's as if Blizzard is now taxing us a bit for having alot of crit as the dot doesn't tick down unless you stop criting.<br /><br />Is my theory an acceptable one or is the 4set a true DPS increase?Fealenhttp://cowandbones.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-3877387170103019432010-02-17T09:17:41.500-06:002010-02-17T09:17:41.500-06:00This bank analogy makes me want to see an add-on t...This bank analogy makes me want to see an add-on that displays the bank content at any one time. :)<br /><br />Good post!essonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04040672394989974949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-78569138242866104922010-02-17T08:03:04.582-06:002010-02-17T08:03:04.582-06:00The only time damage is lost is when the mob dies ...The only time damage is lost is when the mob dies before languish finishes. Should only be an issue on trash, which makes it inconsequential anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-42660887371031794202010-02-17T06:39:02.475-06:002010-02-17T06:39:02.475-06:00It is my understanding that spells we don't ca...It is my understanding that spells we don't cast don't proc procs any longer i.e. Nibelung.<br /><br />Whether this affects Phylactory I don't knowAeiedilhttp://www.strayegg.comnoreply@blogger.com