tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post310031433883719623..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Moonkin Mana RegenGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-27770866410151781182009-02-03T10:56:00.000-06:002009-02-03T10:56:00.000-06:00@Anonymous31. I never said Moonglow didn't scale. ...@Anonymous3<BR/><BR/>1. I never said Moonglow didn't scale. I said it doesn't scale well relative to Intensity and Dreamstate, and it doesn't.<BR/><BR/>Lets use me as an example. Fully raid buffed i have about 50% crit, 26% haste, 1230 Int, and 596 Spirit.<BR/><BR/>So in an ideal situation 1 point of moonglow is worth 38.44 Mp5 Savings for Starfire ((3465 * 0.16)*0.03 = 16.78 mana saved, (3-(0.5*0.5))/1.26 = 2.18 seconds Cast time, (5/2.18)*16.78 = 38.44 Mp5)<BR/><BR/>Now what happens if I increase my stats by 10%. In this ideal situation 1 point in moonglow is worth 39.59 Mp5.<BR/><BR/>So a 10% increase in my haste and Crit results in just a 3% increase in mana savings from Moonglow.<BR/><BR/>Now lets look at Dreamstate and Intensity.<BR/><BR/>Currently 1 point in Dreamstate will return 49.2 Mp5 (1230*0.04). If I increase my Int by 10% dream state returns 54.12 Mp5 ((1230*1.1)*0.04). This is a 10% increase in Mp5 returned.<BR/><BR/>For Intensity the math is a little complicated but I did it and a 10% increase in Int and Spirit results in a 15.3% increase in Mp5 from Intensity.<BR/><BR/>To sum up, a 10% increase in stats improves Moonglow by 3%, Dreamstate by 10%, and intensity by 15.3%. Clearly Moonglow does not scale well relative to Dreamstate and Intensity.<BR/><BR/>2. Moonglow is a 0.8% to 1% increase in DPS not a 0.01% increase to DPS. I know that isn't huge but It isn't horrible either.<BR/><BR/>3. Finally I don't have a problem with readers disagreeing with me. In fact there are several times when someone has suggested something I haven't thought of and proven to be correct.<BR/><BR/>However, in this case I think I have provided fairly extensive and accurate numbers. Plus they agree with the conventional wisdom and numbers provided by other Theorycrafters.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, if you disagree it would be best if you provided evidience of why you disagreed instead of insulting people. Otherwise your showing who the real "wanna bee moonkin" is.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-52486468047340325852009-02-03T08:32:00.000-06:002009-02-03T08:32:00.000-06:00I have a major issue with the way you dismiss Moon...I have a major issue with the way you dismiss Moonglow in this article. The fact of the matter is that moonglow scales with haste AND crit(through natures grace procs). Since Haste is the only stat of the three that you should be stacking (spirit and Int being the prime stats for intensity and dreamstate), Moonglow should scale BETTER as your gear gets better.<BR/><BR/>When you add in the fact that Imp Moonfire is roughly 0.01% dps increase... moonglow becomes your best option for mana regen as it gets you into tier 3 and reduces your need to put points into intensity which means you have to put 14-16 points into the resto tree.<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to throw that out there since I have had some wanna be moonkin trying to tell me that Moonglow is useless based on your blog, when it actually scales better than intensity or dreamstate if you are stacking your stats properly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-69950857774318756202009-01-24T04:16:00.000-06:002009-01-24T04:16:00.000-06:00Hello Graylo. This comment is not related to the p...Hello Graylo. This comment is not related to the post, but I just noticed an unannounced change and I wanted to hear your opinion. The Idol of the Raven Goddess has been changed (I presume in 3.0.8 since I didn't notice the change before): http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32387 It now gives 40 spell crit rating *only to the moonkin* and not anymore to the raid. With this change I guess that the current best idol becomes the starfire one, isn't it? I know you used this idol to buff the raid, so I thought to point you to the (ninja) change.<BR/>Regards,<BR/>Ebonhorn of Argent Dawn EUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-56556539368795948372009-01-21T12:33:00.000-06:002009-01-21T12:33:00.000-06:00In most 25 content, mana regen is no longer a huge...In most 25 content, mana regen is no longer a huge issue for boomkins. Even 10 and 5 mans pose little issue. I try not to care about regeneration gear and leave it for the healers. Keep the healers regen high and you can save your innervate for yourself (most times). <BR/><BR/>Dreamstate and intellect are your best friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-63205763193476529832009-01-21T12:22:00.000-06:002009-01-21T12:22:00.000-06:00@anonymous1Yea, my 10man has no mana regen it in e...@anonymous1<BR/>Yea, my 10man has no mana regen it in either and I have some trouble on the longer fights.<BR/><BR/>@Tilion<BR/><BR/>If your having to give your innervate to healers I would suggest getting the Innervate glyph. That way you both benifit.<BR/><BR/>As far as your build goes i would drop Imp MF and Imp IS. This would give you a total of 9 points to play with. I would put 3 of them into Imp FF, 3 in CF, and 3 in Eclipse.<BR/><BR/>@Beefkin<BR/><BR/>I am not a big PvP person but this is my guess.<BR/><BR/>1. PvP gear tends to have very little spirit. Combine that with the fact that they may not have Kings or Divine Spirit and Intensity becomes a poor talent.<BR/><BR/>2. PvP gear tends to have a lot of Int making Dreamstate a better talent.<BR/><BR/>3. I've heard a few PvP moonkins say that they don't like to use MF in arena, because it is easily dispelled. If that is true then Imp MF is not a great talent. Therefore, they may be picking up Moonglow to get to the next tier.<BR/><BR/>@Myth<BR/><BR/>Yea, Alluded to the fact that DS is better if your dropping out of the 5 second rule a lot, but didn't state it explictly.<BR/><BR/>I dont' think the 5 second rule is a big issue though. Gothik, Haigan & Sapphiron are the only fights with significant down time, but there are a couple of other bosses that you may fall out every so often.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-34289310631760920962009-01-21T11:40:00.000-06:002009-01-21T11:40:00.000-06:00One thing to keep in mind is that Dreamstate is th...One thing to keep in mind is that Dreamstate is the only mana regen mechanic that Balance Druids have that increases mana regen regardless of whether you're casting or not. As such, it is the best mana regen talent in situations where you have enough dps downtime to get out of the 5-second rule.<BR/><BR/>Since the first point in Dreamstate gives you 133% the effectiveness of points 2 and 3, I often take the first point of Dreamstate quite early in my builds. Sometimes even ahead of any points in Intensity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37121608284756693662009-01-21T04:07:00.000-06:002009-01-21T04:07:00.000-06:00Ive started playing alot of arena lately, and ive ...Ive started playing alot of arena lately, and ive been checking out the armory of the top dogs in the ladder, and i witnessed that most of them preferred Moonglow and Dreamstate before Intensity. <BR/><BR/>Does these mana regen talent work better in an arena setting than Intensity? I can understand Dreamstate since you arent always in combat, but Moonglow is harder to understand. What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-57043033679690584222009-01-20T13:29:00.000-06:002009-01-20T13:29:00.000-06:00No fair Gray! You posted this on Phae's blog!Good...No fair Gray! You posted this on Phae's blog!<BR/><BR/>Good write up. Thanks for the numbers and what not. It sick how much you seem to understand it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-16229942240386814042009-01-19T11:30:00.000-06:002009-01-19T11:30:00.000-06:00Thank you for your site! I was resto in BC and sin...Thank you for your site! I was resto in BC and since WoTLK I've been Moonkin....so all this info has been helping me immensely. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02257116994452189132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-77761744816711396982009-01-19T01:20:00.000-06:002009-01-19T01:20:00.000-06:00Thanks for another great article. I've found the s...Thanks for another great article. <BR/><BR/>I've found the same issue with 10-mans on the longer fights. Our small guild only does 10s and unfortunately doesn't have a Replenishment class/spec. I've found that even with all the regen talents I'm struggling on Sapphiron and Sartharion+1. It doesn't help that my innervate goes to the healers in most situations, but their output is usually more important.<BR/><BR/>Given the recent posts about the necessity for IFF I'm trying to work it into my spec, but I'm not sure where I can get the points. I'm starting with <A HREF="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xGbuicsIdhV0ohZbxcub" REL="nofollow">this build</A>, and I have 4 points to spend. I don't know what's best between Eclipse, IFF and Celestial Focus.<BR/><BR/>I'd appreciate any tips. Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49596857070594500582009-01-17T09:45:00.000-06:002009-01-17T09:45:00.000-06:00Thanks! Clearly the no.1 moonkin blog :-)Thanks! Clearly the no.1 moonkin blog :-)Halonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093616384670725766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-89640102905744914792009-01-17T00:39:00.000-06:002009-01-17T00:39:00.000-06:00Nice article :)I have to say I was playing around ...Nice article :)<BR/><BR/>I have to say I was playing around with several builts these days mostly taking points from mana regen talents to dps talents. In 25 mans with BoW, a survival hunter, mage buff and an spriest I had 0 problems even without mana regen talents (well you have to take some to go further down the tree)<BR/><BR/>However, in 10 mans it happened that one day neither, BoW, survival hunter, mage buff and spriest was in the raid. Bad setup you will say and bad setup it was, but its not like bad setups dont happen. Oom Oom Oom, respecing now taking all mana regen talents again, not because such a bad setup is likely to happen oftenly but just made me think that if survival hunter dies and there's lack of palys online that day my dps will be miserable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-91346070452599371432009-01-17T00:25:00.000-06:002009-01-17T00:25:00.000-06:00Nice right up. Very well put and great info.Nice right up. Very well put and great info.Phil Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617169205395145946noreply@blogger.com