tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post3858437413312584455..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: WotLK Beta UpdateGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-9612024108252815142008-08-22T14:50:00.000-05:002008-08-22T14:50:00.000-05:00I think its OK for PvE because you can control you...I think its OK for PvE because you can control your rotations more easily. The problem is that the talent is very difficult to use in PvP, when you consider Resilience reducing crits, and the fact that using Starfire in PvP is difficult, because of no pushback protection and its long casting time, and we are subject to a lot of interrupts.<BR/><BR/>If it is changed to an ability, it would be benefitial to both PvE and PvP. We would have more control burst, something that in PvP we currently lack.<BR/><BR/>Also, for PvE, depending on the complexity of a fight, sometimes its better to depend on an activated ability, than on a proc chance that could likely be wasted because of the proc timing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48013006479686196662008-08-22T14:00:00.000-05:002008-08-22T14:00:00.000-05:00@Anonymous #3Making Eclipse an Activated/Trinket-l...@Anonymous #3<BR/><BR/>Making Eclipse an Activated/Trinket-like ability would definately improve the talent and most moonkin would pick it up, and it is a decent idea. However, there is no chance of this happening in my opinion.<BR/><BR/>I think this because an activated ability wouldn't accomplish Blizzards goal. They have designed this talent to create more casting complexity so that wrath is used in raids and starfire is used in pvp.<BR/><BR/>The problem comes down to the math behind the spells. In a raid with normal raid buffs (CoE, WC, Imp Scorch) Starfire will still kill Wrath in mana efficency, and they will be very similar in terms of DPS. If you add a 10 buff to wrath then you would get a DPS buff of about 13% but Wrath would be about 27% less mana efficent. So activating the nature buff could potentially kill your mana.<BR/><BR/>In the end People would only use it for the Arcane buff thus not promoting the casting diversity that blizzard wants.<BR/><BR/>If they want us to use Wrath more in raids then they need to increase the buffs that Eclipse would give. So that preemptive casting and reactive switching would actually benifical.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-51841048526093630662008-08-22T09:41:00.000-05:002008-08-22T09:41:00.000-05:00Don't you think Eclipse would be a lot better if i...Don't you think Eclipse would be a lot better if instead of activating on casts, to be activated by an ability?<BR/><BR/>Eclipse: Earth. Increases the damage done by Nature spells by 10% but decreases damage done by Arcane spells by 10% for 10/15/20 seconds. 3 minute cooldown<BR/><BR/>Eclipse: Moon. Increases the critical chance of Arcane spells by 10% but decreases the critical chance of Nature spells by 10% for 10/15/20 seconds. 3 minute cooldown.<BR/><BR/>The talent itself would provide both abilities, and each point would give 5 more seconds to the buff duration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-44568403831326335172008-08-11T16:49:00.000-05:002008-08-11T16:49:00.000-05:00Another thing that came to my mind is, if Owlkin F...Another thing that came to my mind is, if Owlkin Frenzy is changed to reduce dmg by 10%, if Typhoon is changed to apply a slow, and if Celestial Focus is changed to give pushback protection to Hurricane, Moonkins can become AoE offtanks for pulls like the ones in Zul'Aman, or Morogrim (not Hyjal obviosly). Remember also that Hurricane now reduces spell and attack speed by 50%.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-4970406460043388752008-08-11T14:09:00.000-05:002008-08-11T14:09:00.000-05:00Great questions. Of course I willl be answering th...Great questions. Of course I willl be answering these from my PvE raiding perspective unless stated otherwise.<BR/><BR/>1) I don't really know how I feel about this since it isn't really an option. For most raids pushback resistance is nice but not required. Raid wide damage is infrequent enough to not significantly reduce our DPS. However, I am starting to do some of he BT fights were raid wide damage is high and I am wondering how this will limit my DPS.<BR/><BR/>So, I would love Starfire adn other spells to be included into Celestial Focus. My problem is I don't know If I could pick it up. I already have almost all of my Talent Points used and don't know IF I could find 3 to put in CF. Ulitimately I don't think Pushback resistance should play a big roll in raiding as long as a tank is doing his job. If pushback is going to become a big part of all boss fights then blizzard needs to provide an good way to combat it. That means reducing the number of talent points you need to get some talents.<BR/><BR/>Control of Nature is fine as a separate talent in my opinion, but I do think it makes sense to include Hibernate in the talent.<BR/><BR/>Owlkin Frenzy is mostly a PvP talent in my opinion. In such a case the push back resistance is a little redundant with CF. Eljefe has proposed that OF might be a good raid talent though if WotLK bosses are designed like the BT and SWP bosses with a lot of raid wide damage.<BR/><BR/>In short, I think there is some redundency there and there are holes in the protection, but we won't know if it matters until we see how new bosses are designed.<BR/><BR/>2) I don't really like Typhoon or Starfall. <BR/><BR/>Typhoon is a pvp talent that might be ok in BGs but I don't know how it would work in arena. In raiding it would suck because of its cooldown and you can knock mobs out of range for the other AoE. <BR/><BR/>Starfall sounds cool but seems to have limited use. Its an AoE spell that requires me to get into the thick of the fighting and it has a 5 minute cooldown. Using the BC boss fights as an example, when would you us it. Every third of fourth wave in Hyjal, 2 or 3 times on tidewalker, phase two of keal. I agree that it leaves a little to be desired given that it is so high in the tree with such low utility.<BR/><BR/>3. I actually like trents and I think some of the things they are doing in WotLK fixes most of their problems. I have heard rumors that They have a pet bar in WotLK but haven't seen anything offical. Also brambles will increase their damage a little. I'm not sure they are worth a 41 point talent, but they are a good source of threat free DPS if used correctly.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for reading.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-31163357312543655062008-08-11T13:06:00.000-05:002008-08-11T13:06:00.000-05:00Hi. Wanted to hear your thoughts on these issues.1...Hi. Wanted to hear your thoughts on these issues.<BR/><BR/>1. What do you think about the talent redundancy regarding spell pushback. There are 9 talents for this: Control of Nature, Celestial Focus and Owlkin Frenzy. Don't you think Celestial Focus should apply to Starfire and Hurricane, and Control of Nature to Hibernate, giving Owlkin Frenzy stun immunity or damage reduction instead of pushback immunity?<BR/><BR/>2. What do you think of Typhoon and Starfall? Isn't Starfall cooldown just too big for a top tier talent? Also, don't you agree Typhoon's knockback is laughable as a defense mechanism for pvp?<BR/><BR/>3. What are your thoughts on Treants? Mage's WE has a lot of synergy with Frost's Spells (as well as a Pet Bar, and is in the same Talent Tier as Force of Nature). Shaman's Wolves apparently will have abilities as well. I'm underwhelmed with the current status of Treants, even after the cd reduction and daze mechanism (another proc for moonkins...)<BR/><BR/>I'm a little worried that Balance Druids are not getting the attention and playstyle consolidation it needs, when I read the Beta Forums.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com