tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post4075367277211378525..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: The Moonkin RotationGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-61040899863466136052009-08-11T14:24:46.434-05:002009-08-11T14:24:46.434-05:003.2 MESSED THIS UP
~Gargen of US-Vek'nilash3.2 MESSED THIS UP<br /><br />~Gargen of US-Vek'nilashPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-50945341768289552552009-06-02T23:08:18.754-05:002009-06-02T23:08:18.754-05:00this might not make much of a difference but i pre...this might not make much of a difference but i prefer to cast mf before is because mf stays up longer. this way i can recast all my dots at roughly the same time and still get the most out of that last tick of mf.douchechyllnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-45179935635771593942009-05-11T13:17:00.000-05:002009-05-11T13:17:00.000-05:00I love all the great information. One thing I was ...I love all the great information. One thing I was wondering about is it appropriate to use treants and starfall and if so where do you recommend throwing them into the rotation (when their cd is up of course)?Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832560584359052962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-43346923077161475722009-04-29T16:58:00.000-05:002009-04-29T16:58:00.000-05:00Love the article...been a moonkin since day one an...Love the article...been a moonkin since day one and have always tried to research to improve my damage. <br /><br />One point I'd like to make, the stats you used seemed really high..most of my gear is best in slot to include all t7.5 plus 226 pieces. I have about 2400 spell buffed w/food and flasks.<br /><br />IFF is a must, but only needs to be applied by one moonkin in group. I've experimented with both rotations, solar and lunar and find they are really close, just depends on how much moving around you have to do. Since we're all really working on Ulduar content now, aoe is minimal with the exception of a couple bosses. Most trash now has to be downed by single target, which makes typhoon, hurricane, and starfall not to usefull. I've tweaked my talent tree to reflect that, no more gale winds or typhoon. I've increased my damage to about 4700-5k, and thats with switching between lunar and solar and also popping my treants after the first cooldown, this does not reflect BR which in Ulduar is pretty much a gimmie right now. That can be a major dps drop and mana drain. Hope any of this is helpful..and thanks again for having this site available for all our feathery friendsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-58473191605100305852009-04-29T08:16:00.000-05:002009-04-29T08:16:00.000-05:00Gale winds imo is a TP-killer if you think about B...Gale winds imo is a TP-killer if you think about Boss fights. Sure there are a few Ulduar boss fights where you have to clear adds at first (like Thorim phase 2), but I come to think that Hurricane is both mana-inefficient and doesn't do enough damage.<br /><br />Considering that a boss fight is mostly a single-target fight, then spending points to increase your AoE is from my PoV useless.<br /><br />Also - most Ulduar trash have a decent amount of HP to be just AoEd down (especially if you don't have so many AoE classes in the raid).<br /><br />Assume I've made my point.<br /><br />@ IFF. If you cast in on the target, then there is no need for other moonkins to do that. ^^<br /><br />Agni the Boombear, Dragonblight-EUAgni the Boombearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-10181717650218831402009-04-13T23:19:00.000-05:002009-04-13T23:19:00.000-05:00ur rotations are exactly mine... ty sooo much, i r...ur rotations are exactly mine... ty sooo much, i read ur last post on this when i didnt even know what a rotation was i aprecate ur emailed resopnce, i am one of the top DPS in my guildPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-11101395904199679002009-04-04T07:27:00.000-05:002009-04-04T07:27:00.000-05:00I agree with most of the build you mention, Gray. ...I agree with most of the build you mention, Gray. But surely 2/2 Gale Winds is going to be worth it for most boss-fights in Ulduar?<BR/><BR/>A lot of theorycrafting on talents, etc seems to assume a pre-BC tank and spank boss. But single target bosses seem to be becoming less and less vogue.<BR/><BR/>The only fight that matters in the game at the moment, Sarth3D (from a hardcore raider perspective) has substantial amounts of AoE and I'm struggling to see my build NOT including Gale Winds in 3.1- the question is, though, given mana will probably be more of a concern in 3.1 I don't know that I can afford to not have intensity. So what do I drop points from? Improved Insect Swarm? Improved Faerie Fire (assuming I'm only getting it for the personal buff)?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13177042158377867688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48805060338796456682009-04-03T14:26:00.000-05:002009-04-03T14:26:00.000-05:00What about solar rotation with idol against lunar ...What about solar rotation with idol against lunar without? I just rerolled to druid and will be 80 at 3.1 launch. Idol of wrath is much easier to obtain.Philipp Smirnovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667853220793820429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-81828080263446243242009-04-03T11:02:00.000-05:002009-04-03T11:02:00.000-05:00What about priority of IS / MF as versus W/SF (1) ...What about priority of IS / MF as versus W/SF (1) during an Eclipse (whether beginning, middle or end), and (2) during Heroism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-91724202725921514212009-04-02T16:33:00.000-05:002009-04-02T16:33:00.000-05:00@ Haupt - This sure seems like a post more direc...@ Haupt - This sure seems like a post more directed at moonkin rotations for after 3.1. With the patch being maybe 2-4 weeks away I think it's fair to just talk about the rotation for the upcoming patch. Honestly, if they are bad moonkins now and don't realize what they are doing then do you really expect them to change before the next patch?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67698402478732172462009-04-02T10:39:00.000-05:002009-04-02T10:39:00.000-05:00They were speced into it, just not casting it. Cau...They were speced into it, just not casting it. Cause whenever they read about Moonkin "rotations" poster always forget to talk about IFF. So new Moonkins don't get it in their heads that they need to cast it. <BR/><BR/>And yes I covered for them and was the best geared Moonkin there so the loss to my DPS was minimal (relatively speaking). I have been a Moonkin from jump street. But if you are posting rotaations to help the newbies there will not always be another Moonkin or Shadow priest there to cover their butts. *grin*<BR/><BR/>IFF needs to be talked about as part of rotations. Gods I can't wait for 3.1 and 5 min duration!!Hauptnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49383651043374610662009-04-02T10:07:00.000-05:002009-04-02T10:07:00.000-05:00@CdinThanks for clearign up the Nature's Grace par...@Cdin<BR/>Thanks for clearign up the Nature's Grace part. It makes sense and I am curious too see how it will affect my DPS, although I have trouble benefitting fully from hast because of the laggy server I am playing on.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>SF + MF Glyphs are a good combo but Starfall during a Lunar Eclipse boosts DPS so much I think it might be better to drop the glyphs to be able to use Starfall every 60 seconds. The DPS of the dots will be lower and I have to cast them more often so the question is if the Starfall damage boost can compensate for the loss in DPS from the dots.<BR/>If you have a link to some numbers it would be greatly appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-78274102243069053802009-04-02T10:01:00.000-05:002009-04-02T10:01:00.000-05:00@HauptI'm a little confused. Were they not specced...@Haupt<BR/><BR/>I'm a little confused. Were they not specced into Imp FF or did they just not cast FF?<BR/><BR/>Not speccing into Imp FF is a mistake; however, if they are just nto casting it then there was no need for them to since you had it covered. I assume that there was no discussion before hand about who was going to keep it up. It sucks for you a little bit but it is a necessary evil. At least its about to get better.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-11160921887273174612009-04-02T09:48:00.000-05:002009-04-02T09:48:00.000-05:00First thanks for the post Graylo, but can we do s...First thanks for the post Graylo, but can we do some rotations that don't assume a shadow priest, Every time I see a Moonkin rotation post it assumes you are not casting IFF (I know in 3.1 the 5 min duration will mean casting once maybe twice during fights)<BR/><BR/>The problem is new Moonkins look at these posts for what to do, by failing to talk about IFF they are being taught wrong..Last night I was in a 25 man raid with 2 other Moonkin, they had their Eclipse rotation but I was the only one casting IFF (no shadow priest as normal for my group). I hate re-training Moonkin.<BR/><BR/>To quote Matthew Brodrick in Glory "Train them PROPERLY major"<BR/><BR/>again thanks for the post GrayloHauptnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-71206438165201109962009-04-02T08:03:00.000-05:002009-04-02T08:03:00.000-05:00@ArtheonYes, you would have to have BiS gear to re...@Artheon<BR/><BR/>Yes, you would have to have BiS gear to reach these stats currently, but I wanted to take a long term approach to this analysis. After Ulduar is released these numbers will be about the middle of the pack and down right low when Icecrown comes out.<BR/><BR/>You have a good point in the short term, but I don't think it significantly changes the out come of my analysis.<BR/><BR/>@Birk<BR/><BR/>I used both idols in the math to make a fair comparison. If I used one idol over the other the results would be bias towards that spell. So I used both.<BR/><BR/>I <B>DO NOT</B> advocate Idol Swapping. You will lose DPS by doing so.<BR/><BR/>In my play, the SF idol is wielded to my charicter screen. I never switch it. There may be a couple of times where switching would help but I never think about in time.<BR/><BR/>@Anonymous<BR/><BR/>1. The uptime is calculated based upon the probablility of having two non-criting SFs in a row. With a 43% chanch to crit (the extra 3% comes from Imp IS), you havea 57% chance to not crit. The the chance to have two spells in a row not crit is 57% * 57% = 32.49%. 1- 0.3279 = 67.51%.<BR/><BR/>2. I haven't done the math yet personally, but the things I have seen around the Interwebz say that Glyph of Focus and Starfall are not a good idea. First of all you have to break up the SF/MF glyph combo which are awesome, and the IS glyph is getting even better with the buffs to IS.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-4936171913905286392009-04-02T06:55:00.000-05:002009-04-02T06:55:00.000-05:00Nice content as usual. Hoewever I do have some que...Nice content as usual. Hoewever I do have some questions. How did you calculate the 67.5 % uptime of Nature's Grace? It seems very high to me, even with the new change to the talent.<BR/><BR/>I plan to use Glyph of Focus and Glyph of Starfall in 3.1, because I think it has the potential of being a great DPS boost if you can use it in the boss fights. Could you please evaluate Starfall with and without the 2 glyphs in the future?<BR/>My planned build is:<BR/>http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?druid=5012203125331303213305311131000000000000000000000000000000205003012000000000000000000&glyph=042415060705&version=9722#<BR/><BR/>I might add 2 points in Intensity if I get Mana problems, but I doubt because I don't max out haste but try to keep a my crit rate at 30% in Moonkin form unbuffed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-39976468214827989702009-04-02T06:00:00.000-05:002009-04-02T06:00:00.000-05:00You assume that Idol of the Shooting Star is equip...You assume that Idol of the Shooting Star is equipped for the Starfire calculations and Idol of the Steadfast Renewal Wrath calculations.<BR/><BR/>Will it be better to spend a GCD (as I recal changing weapons & idols cost 1 GCD) when changing between these spells, or is it just to make the 2 end results match up more appropriate, so assuming that when you go with the spell you want to use most you equip that idol in the beginning of the fight?Birkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07340914142813424650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-41569923977091664432009-04-02T03:51:00.000-05:002009-04-02T03:51:00.000-05:00I was a bit shocked by the starting stats you used...I was a bit shocked by the starting stats you used for calculations. I have lots of naxx25 gear but 2900 spell power is very far yet (I have 2300 raid buffed + food + flask).<BR/><BR/>I guess you used best in slot for every piece of gear which means a lot of 25-man raiding yet (especially to get the idol).<BR/><BR/>I think most moonkins will arrive at Ulduar with much worse stats.Artheonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-13978613086795008552009-04-01T17:14:00.000-05:002009-04-01T17:14:00.000-05:00Im getting that same Blue problemI think you forgo...Im getting that same Blue problem<BR/><BR/>I think you forgot to end the blue text after the DoT math portion.<BR/><BR/>anyway, very nice refresher and proof that they are very similar. Gotta go tell those know it alls back in the guild!!Beefiestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-6898580639849165232009-04-01T15:58:00.000-05:002009-04-01T15:58:00.000-05:00Another great post. Most say I love the TL:DR for...Another great post. Most say I love the TL:DR format you offer.<BR/><BR/>I suffer a lot of lag, so the Lunar Eclipse rotation is what I'm sticking by.<BR/><BR/>What I probably should look into, however, is actually getting the Wrath idol for fights like Loatheb (or maybe only Loatheb). <BR/><BR/>Take care,<BR/><BR/>MacbookMacbookhttp://moonkin.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-34122178903049306352009-04-01T14:50:00.000-05:002009-04-01T14:50:00.000-05:00FWIW, I, too, see the same issue. Blue text start...FWIW, I, too, see the same issue. Blue text starts with "IS Mana Cost...." and continues to be blue thru the rest of the post.Felkannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-68181503923076848042009-04-01T14:44:00.000-05:002009-04-01T14:44:00.000-05:00@FelkanI don't know which I would give up. In the ...@Felkan<BR/><BR/>I don't know which I would give up. In the perfect situation I think FoN does more damage, but they are harder to apply and easily killed.<BR/><BR/>I think I will cross that bridge if and when I come to it. I need to get a better idea of what the Ulduar fights are like before I can make a choice.<BR/><BR/>@Robert<BR/><BR/>I hate blogger. I doubt doubt what your seeing but I've looked at it from two different computers and I don't see an issue. I will try and look at it again tonight.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-1269948638269835162009-04-01T14:14:00.000-05:002009-04-01T14:14:00.000-05:00Great content in the article - just a weird format...Great content in the article - just a weird formatting issue: the end of the post is all blue! Probably a missing close tag from some of the math breakouts.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119361806498719800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-7129903817190496602009-04-01T14:13:00.000-05:002009-04-01T14:13:00.000-05:00Moonkin is going to be my second spec in 3.1 along...Moonkin is going to be my second spec in 3.1 along with Feral (heavy cat with a touch of bear). I've been Feral for years and never even looked at moonkin stuff until the past couple of months.<BR/><BR/>For PvE (primarily 10-man), I've leaning toward a similar spec. However, if mana were to become an issue on longer fights, would you give up FoN or Starfall for the 3rd point in Intensity?<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work and the great maths, I love it.Felkannoreply@blogger.com