tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post4551488115042705816..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Patch 3.3.3: What Now? A look at Glyphs and Rotations.Graylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-39636020297898592212010-04-09T14:08:26.888-05:002010-04-09T14:08:26.888-05:00@Nightedahs:
Where do I think that Nibelung Heroic...@Nightedahs:<br />Where do I think that Nibelung Heroic is BiS, I currently extremely dislike the rng of eclipse as it is. To add more rng of Valk procs would cause my brain to implode (no, not explode).Kallumenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-42934955966502367752010-04-01T17:17:00.968-05:002010-04-01T17:17:00.968-05:00Sry doublepost, but I have to correct myself.
Of c...Sry doublepost, but I have to correct myself.<br />Of course I meant haste and not hit :)<br />btw the valkyres do about 5% of my total damage and I doubt that MH+OH could top this<br /><br />greetings<br />Nightedahs @Khaz'Goroth(EU)Nightedahsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-79191531230663274242010-04-01T17:14:31.309-05:002010-04-01T17:14:31.309-05:00@Kallume
To be honest I don't know and i never...@Kallume<br />To be honest I don't know and i never simulated that because I will never get that combo in my raid because that would cost tons of DKP I don't have.<br />Heroic Nibelung however is actually a free loot for minimum DKP an as we are now focusing on Deathwhisper heroic I will soon have it.<br />And as you can see in the armory I'm over the hit and crit softcap without the stats provided by Bonespine + Spine<br /><br />greetings<br />Nightedahs @Khaz'Goroth(EU)Nightedahsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-89176577399972163932010-04-01T14:46:48.369-05:002010-04-01T14:46:48.369-05:00In the same boat as Nightedahs and Cory, 8/12 Hero...In the same boat as Nightedahs and Cory, 8/12 Heroic ICC down.<br /><br />All depends on the fight for me, I found that using Starfall/Starfire/Moonfire Glyphs gave me the best output (aside from LK, which, for me, it's Starfall/Focus/Moonfire).<br /><br />I have found that DPS tends to be low(er), but dmg output is high(er) on meters. Especially on fights like BQL. <br /><br />So, I am not the only one that thinks that they have tried everything to increase their numbers and have been unsuccessful to a noticeable margin?<br /><br />@Cory - Tuskarr's Vit > Icewalker<br />@Nightedahs - Agree that Heroic Nibelung is better than MH/OH combo; however, compared to H.Frozen Bonespike + H.Shadow Silk Spindle?Kallume (Malygos US)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-17745581580635208552010-03-31T18:03:12.884-05:002010-03-31T18:03:12.884-05:00anything without hit *g*
as I prefer leather the w...anything without hit *g*<br />as I prefer leather the wrist of Dreamwalker are quite nice<br />and I bet that Nibelung -especially in the heroic version- beats out your your mh+oh combo by miles<br /><br />take a look at my armory profile if you want<br />I'm quite satisfied with my items so far, just missing reigns of the unliving<br /><br />greeting<br />Nightedahs @Khaz'Goroth(EU)Nightedahsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-65926474527992363432010-03-31T13:09:27.778-05:002010-03-31T13:09:27.778-05:00Well ya I know, but after some testing I found tha...Well ya I know, but after some testing I found that my mh and oh is better then nibelung, what do u think? More crit, haste etc. Also, what bracers do you reccomend?<br /><br />ThanksUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00579249545105158943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-46658776845041405872010-03-31T12:08:34.682-05:002010-03-31T12:08:34.682-05:00I forgot to mention our guild is on hard modes as ...I forgot to mention our guild is on hard modes as well (8/12 down)<br /><br />greetings<br />Nightedahs @Khaz'Goroth(EU)Nightedahsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-19448746875681069672010-03-31T12:06:21.643-05:002010-03-31T12:06:21.643-05:00As you are doing hardmodes in ICC I would recommen...As you are doing hardmodes in ICC I would recommend using Starfall, Starfire and Moonfire. I would also keep IS in rotation because of the -3% hit debuff.<br />And I would strongly recommend in changing some of your items. You are way over the hitcap...there are better options on wrist and the weapon.<br /><br />greetings<br />Nightedahs @Khazgoroth(EU)Nightedahsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37248142072447824332010-03-30T20:20:27.844-05:002010-03-30T20:20:27.844-05:00@ cory
I use IS, Sfire, and Sfall. Seems to work w...@ cory<br />I use IS, Sfire, and Sfall. Seems to work well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-53993321698307581172010-03-30T00:27:10.808-05:002010-03-30T00:27:10.808-05:00Guys, I'm seriously about to just jump off a c...Guys, I'm seriously about to just jump off a cliff right now lol. I've been messing with different glyphs, rotations and what not for the pat 5 hours and I'm still having a hard time deciding which is best!<br /><br />What do YOU guys recommend? I've read through all these posts but I just cant make up my mind. We are 9/12 Heroic ICC 25 Man so keep in mind lots of spreading out etc is needed when determining glyphs. I just cant do this, Its angering me haha.<br /><br />Please help!<br /><br />My druid's name is Funks on Daggerspine<br /><br />Thanks guys.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14956879518217805555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-15925741630392070132010-03-29T20:11:01.970-05:002010-03-29T20:11:01.970-05:00Yeah, it is certainly a huge uptick in PVE dps. I ...Yeah, it is certainly a huge uptick in PVE dps. I already anticipate them nurfing it, but I hope they only nurf it for PVE because it isn't all that huge of a lift in PVP. If anything, it made PVP acceptable for us, but we were so under powered in PVP that it still doesn't get us equal. Let's hope they don't tinker with it until Cat comes out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-35907553380960853332010-03-28T09:20:45.001-05:002010-03-28T09:20:45.001-05:00Due to some heavy work-load IRL, I only managed to...Due to some heavy work-load IRL, I only managed to log in today, for the first time 3.3.3 hit the live servers. I did a random heroic with some friends, and couldn't believe the damage I was putting out with Starfall alone :O<br />After the heroic, I did some dummy testing, and where previously I'd barely be able to manage 6K sustained (6,5K sustained if I got lucky valkyr procs from my Nibelung), now I was easily keeping my dps around the 7,5K-8K mark.<br />It feels really good, but also quite overpowered. Do you reckon they'll nerf it again in the near future?Dandynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-33072407835460696412010-03-26T20:34:03.184-05:002010-03-26T20:34:03.184-05:00@Nick
I too am well gear'd and luv being in t...@Nick<br /><br />I too am well gear'd and luv being in the top ranks on non-movement fights. And I haven't glyphed for 3.3.3 yet. I'm looking forward to trying your rotation. <br /><br />I think I'm also going to re-spec to Balance for PVP and see how it works. I'm tired of being a tree lovin resto and healing people that put out half the dps we can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-78010717879671441502010-03-26T11:43:05.182-05:002010-03-26T11:43:05.182-05:00While I'm not in a high end guild (10/12 norma...While I'm not in a high end guild (10/12 normal 9 raiding hours a week) when the 3.3 changes were implemented the tanks in my guild weren't even aware that moonkin were glyphing out of the 3% hit debuff from IS. Needless to say they were happy for "free" mitigation. Moonkin buffs may be covered from other classes, but IS is unique and no other class has the same amount of utility from a single class (we also don't run with shadow priests, so dpsers hate it when I'm gone). A bit of amibguity for dots has also made raiding a bit more challenging and fun in the sense that I have some occasionally tough decisions to make on the fly. I hope the rest of you are enjoying it more as well.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824536042725283803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-10063334571535692342010-03-25T12:42:41.507-05:002010-03-25T12:42:41.507-05:00I have been using the combination you suggest here...I have been using the combination you suggest here for a while and stepped into ICC25 last night for the first time after they buffed the effect.<br /><br />I am extremely impressed with the DPS increase this provides. If timed correctly during fights with adds, starfall was accounting for upwards of 15% of my damage. I set a new record for Festergut as well topping the meters over every melee and caster with 11k DPS - I have NEVER hit those numbers before (granted I was chosen to stand in melee for the first time as well, but you get the picture). <br /><br />I now prioritize this above all other spells - I will use it as soon as the CD is up unless there will be adds up in a few seconds (marrwgar's spikes, deathwhisper).<br /><br />Very happy about this unexpected change. It really feels like Starfall is a 51 point talent now.Bovismaximusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-87938487390050588462010-03-24T18:29:42.170-05:002010-03-24T18:29:42.170-05:00As a very well geared Moonkin raider, I've dec...As a very well geared Moonkin raider, I've decided upon the one-dot, using Insect Swarm, for my rotation. After plugging in the numbers into various spreadsheets and applications, I've found this to be the best DPS.<br /><br />In a guild amongst some of the best and highest DPS I've seen, I'm usually ranked 1-3 on any fight, except those such as Putricide (movement, the bane of our existence!). I'm also pulling top world rankings on quite a few of the fights within ICC 25m Normal.<br /><br />If your gear supports it (4pcT10), then I would recommend dropping Moonfire from your rotation and glyphing for Starfall, Focus, and Insect Swarm. I have seen the best results as such. (I reapply IS with priority, even during either Eclipse.)Devonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03071416869156437463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-8783061089010690052010-03-24T09:53:01.141-05:002010-03-24T09:53:01.141-05:00Does anyone know if the Draenai Heroic Presence ra...Does anyone know if the Draenai Heroic Presence racial got increased to 100 yards with the changes? If so, I'm going to change to 236 hit rating. I get 140 from my tier pieces, 50 from my dalaran ring, and another 50 from my offhand which is just perfect.<br /><br />If the range is now 100 yards, there's absolutely no excuses unless you don't have any draenai in your particular party.Duskstormnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48372933171813130652010-03-23T20:45:42.642-05:002010-03-23T20:45:42.642-05:00great post that layed out glyph choices and pros a...great post that layed out glyph choices and pros and cons for each thank youDillybearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558248162798249488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-20801200313671537272010-03-23T16:18:58.542-05:002010-03-23T16:18:58.542-05:00Sorry to double post, but I wanted to clarify the ...Sorry to double post, but I wanted to clarify the rotations I tested and correct what I was saying. <br /><br />The best of the rotations I initially tested was reapply Moonfire always outside of Solar Eclipse, only refresh Insect Swarm before Solar Eclipse starts. What I never tested was to reapply Moonfire only before Lunar, Insect Swarm only before Solar (the one-DoT rotation currently being thrown around). That rotation was not as good in Team Robot as applying Moonfire more liberally.Conghailenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-70536044920185470892010-03-23T16:04:54.415-05:002010-03-23T16:04:54.415-05:00I used Team Robot for simulations and not SimCraft...I used Team Robot for simulations and not SimCraft (SimCraft has a lot more history behind it, but I think the development for Team Robot has been solid as well), and got different results that would justify a one-DoT rotation. You can see what I did here: <br /><br />http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t94208-moonkin_pve_discussion_3_3_3_a/p2/<br /><br />on post #38. The reason I would prefer a one-DoT rotation over reapplying DoTs more often is that when you have to move, you have a greater chance of a DoT being dropped off, giving you something to cast. In a later post I messed around with optimizing Moonfire reapplications in the middle of Solar and Lunar Eclipses but found no timing that returned a benefit, only a break-even.<br /><br />@btken You're right, IIS does help the value of IS to your rotation. That's why it becomes good to apply just before Solar Eclipse, since it boosts Starfire crit chance as you try to proc Eclipse and it increases Wrath damage over the longest continuous interval that you will be casting it. During Lunar Eclipse, however, higher-end gear likely puts you at a 100% crit anyway, and the value of IIS is moot.Conghailenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-24809750106190163302010-03-23T11:40:36.361-05:002010-03-23T11:40:36.361-05:00According to WrathCalc, refreshing insect swarm as...According to WrathCalc, refreshing insect swarm as lunar eclipse ends and moonfire as solar ends using starfall/moonfire/starfire glyph provide the higher dps.<br />It allows to benefit from iis and also to gain a little more dmg from the dot itself, no focus/is glyph<br /><br />Blizz also said that they will implement a new casting mechanic for eclipse to make moonkins better at non patchwerk style fights, it can be considered as a buffCaelinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-72038094942434547952010-03-23T10:33:20.059-05:002010-03-23T10:33:20.059-05:00Edit.....
Ignore points about MF, obvously it'...Edit.....<br /><br />Ignore points about MF, obvously it's a teir level talent :(Myllo of Durotanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712187519350719530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-32533992033612826752010-03-23T10:27:08.963-05:002010-03-23T10:27:08.963-05:00I wouldn't worry about those ele shamans, we s...I wouldn't worry about those ele shamans, we still bring more to the raid than any other class/spec in the game. We bring haste, hit debuff, hit buff (IFF), Crit as well as MOTW, intervates for healers (cuz no moonkin goes oom!) and a B-rez. <br /><br />What I do think is a good idea is having our MF crit, that would bring back the sexyness of even putting more and more dots up. <br /><br />Grayllo, with your current gear and what not, IF you were going to go Glyph of Focus for a fight, which glyph would you sub out for it?<br /><br />SF or MF?<br /><br />I'm also wondering if this might make us move some points out of Improved MF and to OF for some fights that favor it.<br /><br />Myllo of DurotanMyllo of Durotanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712187519350719530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-79532727598736160362010-03-23T09:39:17.590-05:002010-03-23T09:39:17.590-05:00As a well-geared moonkin amongst very well geared,...As a well-geared moonkin amongst very well geared, good/high DPS classes, I'm finding myself with good dps, but still near the bottom overall. I recognize that ICC we don't scale as well, etc.., esp on a lot of the high movement fights... But my worry is that the changes in Elemental Oath for Shaman will basically kill our primary "just-enough extra reason to bring a 'kin along". Starfall isn't going to add that much dps to us, and isn't something we should even use every time it's up on some of the more important fights. (Phase 1 of Arthas for example). What are your thoughts? <br /><br />/paranoid in feathersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-51629838994858713272010-03-23T09:31:10.281-05:002010-03-23T09:31:10.281-05:00The reason the 3% miss debuff translates into 6% l...The reason the 3% miss debuff translates into 6% less damage is because tanks have around 50% avoidance on their own. It's easier to see if we take it to extreme levels. If a tank has 98% avoidance, and we add 1% more miss, their avoidance goes up from 98% to 99%. But looking at it from the other way, they were getting hit 2% of the time, now they're getting hit 1% of the time, which HALVES the amount of damage they take.<br /><br />With 50% avoidance, if a tank takes 100 swings that would do 100 damage each, a tank would take on average 5,000 damage. With 53% avoidance in the same scenario, a tank would take on average 4,700 damage. 4,700 is 94% of 5,000 so the extra 3% miss chance translates into 6% less damage.Fenouilhttp://www.insight-medivh.com/main/noreply@blogger.com