tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post4583651411136791413..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Stars' "World First"Graylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-36182313039244207712011-07-03T21:57:18.460-05:002011-07-03T21:57:18.460-05:00They are a top guild and they obviously know the i...They are a top guild and they obviously know the implications of an extra week and faster access to heroic gear.<br /><br />A dick move and very stupid as well. It's obvious that their heroic kill not be recognised by the community. In addition, if they managed a world first on ragnaros heroic, their kill would be tainted by their cheating. If they failed to do it, then the community will say that they cheated but lost. Lose-lose either way.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381576369055180683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-74750412696142039942011-07-03T15:11:23.977-05:002011-07-03T15:11:23.977-05:00Since there's a game called "wow ptr"...Since there's a game called "wow ptr", there isn't any "legit" first kills. I mean, all this top guilds spend more time playing on ptr then in live servers, and that doesnt make any sense. And even if all people start from the same line, the diference between kills would be by minutes. So how someone can be proud...if they killed the boss 10 minutes faster (for example). When this guilds move from ptr too live servers, they get 1 shot on normal mode..."same" as heroic. So remove ptr and there would be more credit for 1st kills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67938520782038064562011-07-02T20:04:49.060-05:002011-07-02T20:04:49.060-05:00@ironyca
First off, it's hard to think of fac...@ironyca<br /><br />First off, it's hard to think of faction transfers as a game mechanic because it doesn't happen in game. This isn't a case of going and talking to a goblin in booty bay and changing your faction. This is a service that Blizzard offers players out side of the normal game.<br /><br />Second, even if you concider faction transfers a game mechanic they still didn't use in the intended way. The intent of the faction transfer service isn't to reset raid ids, and that was the entire reason they faction transfered. Therefore, it wouldn't fall under the Clever use of game mechanics clause in my opinion.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37379481376011846672011-07-02T08:31:33.116-05:002011-07-02T08:31:33.116-05:00As I see it, the common sense understanding of rai...As I see it, the common sense understanding of raids is that you get one a week per toon. Using faction transfers to raid on the same toon extra times? You have to know that's not the way things were intended.<br /><br />Punishment? Not a ban or anything, bliz ought to just tweak the raid ID stuff, then manually extend the ID of every toon in Stars who did this by a week for each extra kill.The Bitter Fignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-19833607515201398292011-07-01T21:55:15.433-05:002011-07-01T21:55:15.433-05:00They closed down heroics until next week for every...They closed down heroics until next week for everyone. I think they did this because they didn't expect so many guilds to kill Rag already. I mean how many killed him so far this week? Heroics are supposed to be a step up but I bet the top guilds will clear it next week. <br /><br />Then what... wait 5-6 more months for 4.3 to come out? They will lose too many subscriptions if they did that.<br /><br />I think they are making some key changes to heroics as I type this in order for no one to clear heroics at least until they put in a patch saying they are making it easier.BCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-1906475127813288762011-07-01T20:36:41.749-05:002011-07-01T20:36:41.749-05:00It's an interesting case, as you raise yoursel...It's an interesting case, as you raise yourself, would you consider a faction change a type of mechanic, i.e. is that service part of the game as a whole and thus fair play?<br /><br />Also I've seen it SO many times, this perception that game code = law and moral leeway. What the code allows is understood as a design intention, although as we all know, code is highly liable to bugs and glitches, something which constantly needs fixing. <br />This way of looking at it also completely ignores the community layer of the game, which as you also point out, is not likely to just condone a world first just because it CAN be done (at any cost).<br /><br />It's an excellent example of pure powergaming though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37331091214080267122011-07-01T15:46:01.178-05:002011-07-01T15:46:01.178-05:00@GamingLifer/Myraxa
Yes, there are no laws agains...@GamingLifer/Myraxa<br /><br />Yes, there are no laws against being a dickwad, and I'm not advocating that they should be banned.<br /><br />However, we are not talking about the legal system here. This is Blizzard and they have banned people for less. So it seems silly to me to risk a ban for a short term gain that will likely cause more ridicule then progression. <br /><br />If I was Blizzard, I would roll back their achievement and take away the gear they got for the kill, but wouldn’t ban them. <br /><br />@anon1<br /><br />Thanks. Spellcheckers can’t catch everything. It’s vs Its and your vs you’re are there just because I’m lazy.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-77330471290057820582011-07-01T15:20:27.256-05:002011-07-01T15:20:27.256-05:00Graylo, I really enjoy your blog, and I know you a...Graylo, I really enjoy your blog, and I know you admit to not being the best with grammar (its and it's, you're and your), but even my butcher knows the difference between cleaver and clever ;)<br /><br />I agree with your sentiment. It seems pointless for Stars to do what they did. Who is it going to impress? Even if they finish T12 as world first on every fight, anyone who knows enough to care about their achievement will always put an asterisk next to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-29215853178144521782011-07-01T15:01:02.094-05:002011-07-01T15:01:02.094-05:00Is this something I think is against the rules, ba...Is this something I think is against the rules, bannable, exploit, etc? No. Is it a douchebag move? Absolutely.<br /><br />There are no laws against being a dickwad, but this isn't something I would do, or would I be proud to be in a guild that did it. I'd be embarrassed if LoE did something like this, and might even gquit out of shame. <br /><br />The question Stars has to ask themselves, is this REALLY that satisfying of a kill?<br /><br />They also now run the risk of ridicule if other guilds pass them in progression next week.GamingLiferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02195336931104729563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-20396299953243351362011-07-01T14:07:46.680-05:002011-07-01T14:07:46.680-05:00@Ted
I don't know all the pay models, but I g...@Ted<br /><br />I don't know all the pay models, but I guarentee you blizzard still makes over a billion a year from subscription fees and such. My point was that 540k is really a drop in the bucket when looked at from the bigger picture, and blizzard isn't going to risk the bigger picture for just 540k.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-56290445055328997742011-07-01T14:04:06.769-05:002011-07-01T14:04:06.769-05:00@Sketch
That is a very optimistic view of the sit...@Sketch<br /><br />That is a very optimistic view of the situation, but not likely.<br /><br />If it is the case that they just wanted to play more they could have easily used alts. While I don't know for sure if this is the case with Stars, these elite raiders are notorious for having multiple raiding capable toons. This is because they clear content very quickly and do additional raids with other toons. So they likely didn't need to pay for a faction change just to play more.<br /><br />The only reason to faction change was to reset the raid ID, and the only reason to reset the raid id was to work on the hard modes.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-91500202792697299922011-07-01T13:52:01.773-05:002011-07-01T13:52:01.773-05:00The 11millon players includes Far East. These play...The 11millon players includes Far East. These players pay under a different model, and most pay far less than 13 dollars a month.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01021888227904891627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-51197119738660092772011-07-01T13:38:08.532-05:002011-07-01T13:38:08.532-05:00I think the one thing everyone's not consideri...I think the one thing everyone's not considering is that maybe they just wanted to play some more.<br /><br />They'd already cleared the content on Normal ... and expecting it to take longer than it did, they faction-swapped to play some more this week.<br /><br />Glass half-full. :)Sketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11638955100664770923noreply@blogger.com