tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post4779744019698137915..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Raid Survivability: A RantGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-81986637055878826092009-08-06T10:36:22.668-05:002009-08-06T10:36:22.668-05:00This post makes me think of something a great tank...This post makes me think of something a great tank once said: "Aggro is the DPS's responsibility, but <i>threat</i> is the tank's."<br /><br />Keep up the great work. :)Alonoranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-69834106880028393832009-08-04T11:06:59.566-05:002009-08-04T11:06:59.566-05:00As a former Tank, I have been known to forget to &...As a former Tank, I have been known to forget to 'Taunt' Mobs of DPS that where targetting the wromg Mob. And now as Tree, I also sometimes forget to heal DPS standing in the green/red/whatever-stuff.<br /><br />The line you mentioned is ofcourse not in use when DPS gets normal AoE-damage, or some random-targetted-damage. It's more towards the spoonheads who just ataack something, and don't watch where they are standing.<br /><br />But in the end, all DPS should always watch their own health. Maybe the tank got an unlucky streak of non-avoided hits, maybe the healer was stunned. Just remember, if you are dead, your damage per second is zero.Andréhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966967316872280121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-28840890665893683022009-08-04T04:53:05.678-05:002009-08-04T04:53:05.678-05:00On the longer fights like Yogg, XT Hardmode, etc. ...On the longer fights like Yogg, XT Hardmode, etc. I often make the conscious decision NOT to heal myself. The simple fact is I often have to innervate myself, and if I'm constantly having to switch out of form to heal, ill run out of mana even faster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-1522457991567732942009-08-03T07:57:28.518-05:002009-08-03T07:57:28.518-05:00One thing I've found with group healing its no...One thing I've found with group healing its not alway the idiot DPSer that dies. I have found occasions where some fool is standing in fire or has pulled agro, and I do everything to keep them up, leaving more solid DPS vulnerable to RNG deaths.<br /><br />I know I should let them drop, but if I see red I healBoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10343313936224731968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49320693067679488192009-08-03T03:38:52.878-05:002009-08-03T03:38:52.878-05:00From a tank/raid leader perspective.
It's not...From a tank/raid leader perspective.<br /><br />It's not BS. <br />It's simplification. A big one even. And usually applies more to poor groups then good groups. And it holds more truth then you actually want to admit. But of course once you are raiding, you can't fall back to such simplification each time something goes wrong. In my raidgroup (as probably in any other serious group) we look at each death separately. We try to find the reason, we call it and we learn from it. Because that's the only way to avoid it in future. <br /><br />There are 2 more points I'd like to add.<br />When to use your healing cooldowns?<br />In my opinion as soon as you see first need for it. That's the simplest rule I learned from tanking. If you think you might not survive it, use cooldown. If you die later during the fight - no one will tell you, you didn't care about yourself. And you can actually be right with this first cooldown. <br />On the other hand DPS duty is to DPS. If you are not making any stupid mistakes (pulling aggro, running away from healers, standing in fire etc.) you ought to get a heal from people who's duty it is. And if it's not working as it should, then either assignment, strategy or healers themselves should be changed. What I want (as a RL) from my DPS is to DPS as hell and be aware of environment.Pdzikushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13442519872542629081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-45742448921988797422009-08-02T16:58:26.981-05:002009-08-02T16:58:26.981-05:00I have been healing more and more now in Ul and I ...I have been healing more and more now in Ul and I find that our issues are cause and affect. Something like event X requires Healer 1 to switch and Tank 1 to switch with Tank 2. When done properly, if everyone knows when to do what we are fine. <br /><br />If there is one thing I can promote it would be communication. <br /><br />If the tank is low on agro and has all their agro bombs on CD then the tank should speak up so that DPS can slow down, <br />If a healer is stuck, out of range, or just unable to heal their assignment then call it out so that the other healers can pick up the heals,<br />If a DPS is pulling threat all the time see why, ask the tank if they are targeting the correct boss or if they are using their agro pulls, sometimes a newer person doesn’t know the proper rotations for holding mass threat or the DPS just needs to slow down<br />If DPSers are constantly dying find out why, oh forgot to healthstone, oh forgot to barkskin, oh just stood in the fire and died, or oh received zero heals… <br /><br />Communicate effectively and don't just blah blah, if you wipe, look at the recount look at your tabs and figure out what was the cause and how you need to fix it. Communicate with each other don’t let ppl say ‘clear vent’ for no reason.<br /><br /> When there is something important it needs to be said! RLs should know what the different classes can do and if they want a re-birth they should tell the druid to rebirth person X. RLs can’t be expected to know everything but they are the conductor of how the raid should go and any good RL can tell you when to do what such as rebirthing, heroism, innervating, army o the dead, or any general game play decisions with big cool downs<br /><br />Know your role, and do it. <br />If you don’t know ur role ask, if your embarrassed about not knowing just whisper the RL or someone you trust to help you. Graylo has been awesome in helping me to better understand my role as a Moonkin.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />~Gargen of Vek’nilashPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-42863797045350013702009-08-02T13:33:05.699-05:002009-08-02T13:33:05.699-05:00Moonkins pulling threat? I don't even use Omen...Moonkins pulling threat? I don't even use Omen because I have never ever have threat issues. Though I do lean to the Lunar Rotation so, maybe the Solar Rotation being more crit heavy has threat issues.<br /><br /><br />I save my Barkskin for upcoming damage in fights, but I typically use it whever it's up. I'm quite anal about it actually. I use it in combination with Lifeblood on a regular basis and with Lifeblood being changed so that it doesn't trigger the gobal cooldown I wil be using them both more than ever, and I think I might have to macro them together as well.Azrune - Bloodhoofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-87652124919217230472009-08-01T23:48:09.451-05:002009-08-01T23:48:09.451-05:00Voltaaire- I don't know about you in my experi...Voltaaire- I don't know about you in my experience raid leaders are stricter on mages dying because they have such an obvious out in the form of iceblock. Your mileage may vary on this point, though.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13177042158377867688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-66320225066561532482009-08-01T20:20:13.827-05:002009-08-01T20:20:13.827-05:00I remember when BC first came out...if your were a...I remember when BC first came out...if your were a Nelf Druid you were kinda stuck. All you had was barkskin...Shadowmeld didin't work the same back then. It sucked, if your tank didint know how to tank...if you pulled you died :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-29821109879323837632009-08-01T13:30:38.591-05:002009-08-01T13:30:38.591-05:00Barkskin - slap that bad boy on every single time ...Barkskin - slap that bad boy on every single time your screen flashes red, you got agro, or any time you get within 10% agro of the tanks. As a moonkin, you know what I'm talking about - one silly string of crits and you got it, amirite?<br /><br />I tend to use it right before we all take some unavoidable mass AoE, too, just to help out the healers when it comes to me. It's nice being the party member with the highest health after an aoe!Auntie Cailhttp://saintsofelune.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-33408040209249719302009-07-31T20:04:58.031-05:002009-07-31T20:04:58.031-05:00I began thinking the same thing last night after d...I began thinking the same thing last night after dying to a Napalm Blast that I probably could have healed myself through, but I had an Eclipse proc and was in tunnel vision to get those Starfires off.<br /><br />However, what if it had been a mage or some other non-hybrid caster in that Napalm Blast? I sometimes think my healers even neglect healing some of the hybrids just because we have the option to heal ourselves. I really wish this dialogue came up more often, but a lot of healers have that arrogant sense of entitlement and can bully the hybrid DPS into taking the blame.<br /><br />On the healthstone issue, there are some fights where you can put the well down in a convenient place right before the pull and if you use your stone early, just grab another. This saved me many times on Malygos after using mine while being tossed around in phase 1, would just grab another when I landed.Voltaaire (Moon Guard - US)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-55631398226339263842009-07-31T19:15:08.063-05:002009-07-31T19:15:08.063-05:00I have to agree with your BS call, assuming the DP...I have to agree with your BS call, assuming the DPS player in question isn't taking avoidable damage.<br /><br />Last night, working on Firefighter, I died more times in phase 2 than I want to remember to... rapid fire. This was on a 10 man, with 3 healers. THREE healers. In a TEN man. And that was while usually under Barskin, often after innervating a healer in phase 1.<br /><br />Rant over.Druid Dudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13800856987944941393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-18714904307592096462009-07-31T18:45:24.021-05:002009-07-31T18:45:24.021-05:00Having played a (paladin) tank, I hear and spout t...Having played a (paladin) tank, I hear and spout that quote a lot, a kitsch-y catchphrase that highlights sloppy gameplay. However, I think it's only accurate for deaths due to stupidity, of which we all know there is no shortage in our average PUG.<br /><br />To quote a contemporary movie, it's "more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules."<br /><br />Long time lurker, first time commentator, keep up the great work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-1334120336512608752009-07-31T17:11:57.991-05:002009-07-31T17:11:57.991-05:00Recount completely fixed this sort of problem for ...Recount completely fixed this sort of problem for my guild. Last week a bunch of dps died to Kologarn's shockwave and were getting accused of standing in eyebeams too much, then I brought out recount's death monitor and linked to the raid that they had not received any heals except VE and JoL for 34 seconds. 34! The healers assigned to their group got quite a talking to after that.Neirinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01917370089215187221noreply@blogger.com