tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post482098864321148361..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: The Ulduar Raiding Gear List: Part 1Graylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-79178730026263442612009-06-09T21:05:10.665-05:002009-06-09T21:05:10.665-05:00http://www.premoguild.com/images/killshots/algks.j...http://www.premoguild.com/images/killshots/algks.jpg<br />look at those glowesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-35827773583889913122009-05-29T11:34:06.341-05:002009-05-29T11:34:06.341-05:00Thanks for great list! Gonna have to link it to m...Thanks for great list! Gonna have to link it to my RLs so they'll change rules and let me roll on cloth... so much cloth...<br /><br />hopefully this list will put me in contention for their loot council decisions...boomboompownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-2180377134217737432009-05-26T08:30:53.041-05:002009-05-26T08:30:53.041-05:00Yes, the change to spirit has been included in the...Yes, the change to spirit has been included in the numbers.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-61731691923217847502009-05-25T18:23:04.418-05:002009-05-25T18:23:04.418-05:00Thanks for a nice list I am not sure on when it wa...Thanks for a nice list I am not sure on when it was done and if its been updated for the spirit change in last patch ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67446258853402856592009-05-20T04:44:32.763-05:002009-05-20T04:44:32.763-05:00Two quick things. 1) The priest only thing for the...Two quick things. 1) The priest only thing for the shoulders is probably *not* a bug and won't be fixed. Why you ask? Because: 2) You forgot to list the excellent Druid only chest off hardmode Vezax. I forget it's name but it has 3 sockets with a SP socket bonus, high Sp, Haste, and lots of int and spirit. I think it's a candidate for BiS if you do not need the tier piece for the bonus.Funkychickennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-1017032866637345792009-05-18T16:38:00.000-05:002009-05-18T16:38:00.000-05:00Great list, any chance of adding Boots of the Serv...Great list, any chance of adding Boots of the Servant?<br /><br />http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45483Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-33676613440150800052009-05-13T17:00:00.000-05:002009-05-13T17:00:00.000-05:00I'm curious how you're doing the T7 4pc bonus as t...I'm curious how you're doing the T7 4pc bonus as the T7.25 legs should come out ahead of the Boneyard if you're giving them 1.25% and certainly if you're giving them 5% crit. <br /><br />From what I've seen so far in Rawr, it isn't worth breaking 4T7 until 4T8 or near equivalent. <br /><br />Also, it seems with spirit buffed to give 30% as spell damage this list may need a serious re-take.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-2858380240627888412009-05-11T02:55:00.000-05:002009-05-11T02:55:00.000-05:00Great stuff! How about an extra colum stating whic...Great stuff! How about an extra colum stating which raid it comes from (Uld10/25, Naxx10/25, Etc.) and which boss. I know it's simple for us to simply click on the Wowhead link but it would make it a nice one stop shop. Thanks for your blog btw, as a new member of the Moonkin community it's been invaluable. Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-88424402622606082922009-05-10T18:27:00.000-05:002009-05-10T18:27:00.000-05:00It seems that a lot of these pieces are SP/Crit, a...It seems that a lot of these pieces are SP/Crit, are we going away from Haste even though it's the better stat?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-55149785664333419212009-05-09T16:57:00.000-05:002009-05-09T16:57:00.000-05:00Aye, the shoulder pick you have there is indeed be...Aye, the shoulder pick you have there is indeed being listed as priest only on wowhead there mate.<br /><br />Amice of the something.Teraninhttp://www.themoonkinrepository.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-22594220323804743192009-05-04T07:23:00.000-05:002009-05-04T07:23:00.000-05:00@Funkychicken -
I also was kinda wondering about ...@Funkychicken -<br /><br />I also was kinda wondering about the trinket choice. I really find myself wanting the Scale of Fates trinket, and I already had the Sash of Ancient power made for myself (it put me over hit cap because I'm one of the nubs that use Dying Curse).<br /><br />I've never been a fan of trinkets that do additional damage on proc effects, so even if it does turn out to be a BIS I probably won't end up taking it except for a higher WoW Heroes ranking :P<br /><br />MacbookMacbookhttp://moonkin.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-50559477320230161082009-05-02T06:08:00.000-05:002009-05-02T06:08:00.000-05:00I disagree with your choice for the belt slot and ...I disagree with your choice for the belt slot and the trinket slots.<br /><br />The Sash of Ancient Power is incredibly well itemized. A 32sp gem in the blue socket is well worth it and is significantly better than the other crafted option you choose as your BiS choice. <br /><br />As far as hit rating goes and general gearing philosophy, I think the goal of any moonkin trying to go from T7 BIS to T8 BIS should be to get to a crit level that solar eclipse is more powerful than lunar eclipse, and to attain enough hit rating from other gear to not have to wear the Dying Curse or Elemental Focus Stone and use two stacking spellpower trinkets.<br /><br />In combination, the Illustration of the Dragon Soul and the Eye of the Broodmother will be extremely potent and I'm sure will have a higher actual DPS output than the Flare of the Heavens. Keep in mind that whenever you get into a stand and cast situation the trinkets will start stacking simultaneously. <br /><br />If you get to 10 stacks of dragon soul with broodmother equipped that is equal to 325 static spellpower and 87 crit rating. There are a number of mobile fights in Ulduar, but with good use of insect swarm and moonfire a mobile moonkin should be able to maintain the trinket stacks on pretty much every fight except mimiron which has long pauses between the phases and Vezax where you must often not cast.<br /><br />Keep up the good work! I love your blog!Funkychickennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-5581591480966501432009-05-01T01:20:00.000-05:002009-05-01T01:20:00.000-05:00Some one know, what is wrong with Spirit?
~Gargen...Some one know, what is wrong with Spirit?<br /><br />~Gargen of Vek'nilash<br /><br />(I am getting there...)Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-22925673557851114362009-04-30T19:53:00.000-05:002009-04-30T19:53:00.000-05:001) I used your dps stat ranking with set bonus to ...1) I used your dps stat ranking with set bonus to calculate the difference. (4pc t7)<br /><br />375.0 - Leggings of the enslaved idol<br />447.8 - Valorous Dreamwalker Cower<br />261.8 - Valorous Dreamwalker Mantle<br />302.8 - Valorous Dreamwalker Vestments<br />209.9 - Valorous Dreamwalker Gloves<br />-----------------------------------<br />1597.3 - full t4 bonus + hit pants<br /><br />That is assuming you did factor in each of those pieces being 1/4th of the bonus as you did the t8 being 2 pc's each 1/2 of their bonus.<br /><br />2) Heres a parse of a druid's eclipse uptime in Ulduar<br /><br />yogg: 34%<br />iron council: 30.8%<br />razor: 27.4%<br />mimiron: 30.4% and 34.9%<br />Freya: 19.5%<br />Thorim: 25.9% and 31.6%<br />Hodir: 29.2% and 36.5%<br />Auriaya: 40.9%<br />Kologarn: 35.4%<br />xt-002: 31.6% and 35.0%<br />ignis: 32.7% and 37.4%<br /><br />This is the actual amount of time the eclipse proc was up..<br /><br />Eclipse is 15 secs up 15 seconds down<br />4 wraths @ 1.25 seconds to proc eclipse = 35 seconds per cycle = %42 uptime you will typically lose another 3% waiting for your next cast to finish (about 1 second). 39% uptime, throw in some movement and you can easily drop to 30% or 35% <br />(not to mention some extra wrath casts to proc it.... 4 is still being nice IMO)<br /><br />3) I do agree, but it still will affect it.<br />4) Again, props to your calcs and blog, I love em :-)<br />5) I messed up and calculated it as 1 crit rating per 166 int instead of 1% chance to crit... ty for the clarification there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826673779801662191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-1624849326640842432009-04-30T18:32:00.000-05:002009-04-30T18:32:00.000-05:00um the amice is listed as priest restricted, might...um the amice is listed as priest restricted, might want to make another pick.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02097431337538523172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-11232085018698427512009-04-30T17:01:00.000-05:002009-04-30T17:01:00.000-05:00@HhAaZzEeYy
You make a good point that Eclipse wi...@HhAaZzEeYy<br /><br />You make a good point that Eclipse will be devalued in a high movement fight and therefore the 2T8 bonus will be devalued also. <br /><br />However, you also make several very large leaps in logic that are very unrealistic.<br /><br />1. First you devalue 2T8 by 30% to 40%. That may be true for a particular fight or a particular phase of a fight, but I highly doubt it is true a cross the board. Ulduar is definately more moble then naxx was but there are several fights that aren't that moble or where you can be stationary for long streaches.<br /><br />2. How did you come up with 1597.3 vs 1643.5? I can get the T8 number but your T7 number is way high. If I add the values from my list for 4 pieces of T7 and the Enslaved Idol, I get 1401.35. <br /><br />I think your devaluing the stat increase you get from the Ulduar gear.<br /><br />3. Lossing the 4T7 set bonus doesn't reduce your Eclipse uptime as much as you may think. First off other gear up grades will make up for some of the crit lost. Second, your crit rate has very little to do with when your Eclipse will proc. The cooldown has a much bigger impact.<br /><br />4. Yes, hit is so highly valued that it can move some items to the top. However, I clearly state in the beginning of Part one readers shouldn't pick up the number 1 item on each of the lists just for that reason.<br /><br />This is a mathimatical ranking and there isn't a better way to rate Hit. To compensate I have provided multiple ratings so that people can make the best choice based on there situation. That is why I have the total stat rating, The stat rating with out hit, the stat rating with set bonuses, and the stat rating with set bonuses but without hit.<br /><br />5. Finally, where did you come up with your 0.125 value for int? The 0.12 value is clear, but it looks like you pulled the 0.005 out of the air.<br /><br />I didn't pull any of my numbers out of the are. They are all determed through modeling. Here is how my number was calculated.<br /><br />160 Int gives you a 1% chance to crit.<br />45.9 Crit Rating also gives you a 1% chance to crit. <br />Crit rating is worth 0.80 SP according to my modeling.<br /><br />45.9/160 = 0.2869. So each Int is equivalent to 0.2869 Crit rating.<br /><br />0.2869 * 0.8 = 0.2295<br /><br />Due to Lunar Guidence int is converted to SP at a rate of 12% so the value of Int in terms of SP is 0.2295 + 0.12 = 0.3495.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-69953517041146838122009-04-30T14:55:00.000-05:002009-04-30T14:55:00.000-05:00Since I can't edit my comment, I have another ques...Since I can't edit my comment, I have another question for you.<br /><br />Why do you have such high values on Intellect and Hit? <br /><br />I realize hit is very highly valued when you are below the hit cap, but at the same time it's absolutely worthless beyond this cap. With the massive amounts of hit on Ulduar gear it's terribly easy to remain hit capped. I personally feel valuing hit higher than spell power artificially inflates all hit heavy gear and makes it look better than it really is.<br /><br />And I know intellect only gives us 12% into spellpower with talents, making its value worth .125 (the .oo5 is crit you get from intellect). Is there a reason you feel it is worth more than this? As long as we aren't doing a bunch of aoe and have proper regen composition, mana is not really an issue.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826673779801662191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-34561222150009984132009-04-30T14:45:00.000-05:002009-04-30T14:45:00.000-05:00I do have a question for you, When you calculated...I do have a question for you, When you calculated the T8 2pc set bonus, what kind of up time did you give it?<br /><br />I've noticed alot of sites, such as Elitist Jerks have been calculating the bonus out at about 40-45% which is actually a rather unrealistic uptime unless you are standing still and get VERY efficient eclipse procs. I'm estimating the uptime would be somewhere closer to the 25% range on average fights. This number could easily drop even lower in heavy movement or bad rng.<br /><br />It seems that under these circumstances, keeping our current 4pc t7 setup plus the #1 legs may be our highest dps throughput set, rather than using your 2pc t8 choices along with the other BiS choices you have for the 3 non tiered slots<br /><br />1597.3 for 4pc t7 + Enslaved Idol<br />vs<br />1643.5 for 2pc t8 + your BiS<br /><br />If you weight the 2pc t8 bonus even 30% less (giving it a 28% uptime if your calc was 40% uptime which is probably going to be the average) your BiS value would drop down to 1589.2 <br /><br />Not to mention the fact that eclipse will proc less by losing all that crit from the 4pc t7, I really really doubt this is an upgrade. How do you feel? <br /><br />My vote is stick with your t7 4pc honestly....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826673779801662191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-87367939808005602642009-04-22T10:07:00.000-05:002009-04-22T10:07:00.000-05:00@matthew
Managing Hit can be difficult. The best ...@matthew<br /><br />Managing Hit can be difficult. The best advice I can give is plan ahead. There are two ways I plan ahead. First, I try and know what I want before it drops. Second, After I'm at the hit cap I try and pick up good hit items that no one else wants but could be usefull in the future. That way if my gear changes I may be able to sub some of these peices in to make up the drop in hit. Basicly I have a lot of hit gear in my bags.<br /><br />I didn't include any PvP gear in here because as a general rule PvE gear > PvP gear.<br /><br />@Phil<br /><br />I was generally hitting 5K DPS on Patchwerk. <br /><br />@Dean<br /><br />Getting to the hit cap is very important If you plan on raiding as a moonkin. If your just talking about farming or 5mans your Resto gear is fine. For this guide I valued Hit rating at about 1.48 spell power, but that is at a pre-3.1 BiS gear level. If you plan on raiding as a moonkin I suggest getting the Emblem Off-Hand, Hit trinket out of H VH, and a couple of the tier peices with Hit on it. This will get you fairly close to the cap without killing your Spell Power.<br /><br />@Tondi<br /><br />The waitings I used for this list was Hit = 1.48, SP = 1, Haste = 0.84, Crit = 0.80, Int = 0.35, Spirit = 0.15.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-85174562564860007392009-04-20T14:51:00.000-05:002009-04-20T14:51:00.000-05:00Could you post the actual stat values you used to ...Could you post the actual stat values you used to create this gear list? I use the Pawn addon for gear comparisons, but I have yet to find a good scale for moonkin stats - especially one that takes into account the 3.1 changes. Thanks!Tondinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-57720251068716499182009-04-14T16:18:00.000-05:002009-04-14T16:18:00.000-05:00My main spec since I hit 80 has been resto, but I ...My main spec since I hit 80 has been resto, but I loved balance while I was leveling and plan on using it for my second spec once the servers go live today. I just had a quick question about hit rating as it applies to my situation.<br /><br />I've got a pretty good set of resto gear - mostly Naxx-25 epics at this point. I've got good spell power, and decent haste/crit, but basically no +hit. I could equip some old blues of offspec gear that has some +hit on it, but I would almost always be giving up spell power and/or other stats to do so.<br /><br />So how important is it to be hit capped if it means giving up spell power to do it? If I value hit as around 1.2 spell power (a number I think I got from an old post on your blog), I'll end up with almost no +hit at all, which feels wrong after all I've heard about the importance of getting to the soft hit cap.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11717313255905902145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48937653997562877522009-04-13T23:00:00.000-05:002009-04-13T23:00:00.000-05:00I love moonkin form as I am norm the only one. I h...I love moonkin form as I am norm the only one. I have low hit but my haste is maxxed, I havnt been the Maly yet as I have not completed naxx. I have learned much from your site as to better my rotations but find that when I adjust talents differently everthing changes. I like to have the elips as it hits 11k every 2.81 sec. I currenly do aprox 3k dps in 25 man naxx but want to hit over 4k.(I hit 14k in araknid, aoe blast) what is your dps with your gear in 25 man naxx? -Gargen of Vek'Nilash (feel free to imdb and send comments pjoutlaw11@hotmail.com)Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-69959575158128369742009-04-13T18:38:00.000-05:002009-04-13T18:38:00.000-05:00Thanks for the list. it helped me confirm my own g...Thanks for the list. it helped me confirm my own gear choices. Something I did wonder though - how do most moonkin keep their hit up? I really struggle with that.<br /><br />Also, I notice you don't have any of the titan-forged gear listed at all. Were they considered? When it comes to hit gear, they make great stop-gap measures.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00285764789277530324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-23330428726745370372009-04-13T17:42:00.000-05:002009-04-13T17:42:00.000-05:00Nice List. Although it really is frustrating that ...Nice List. Although it really is frustrating that I have the second best item in almost all of my slots. I have extremly bad luck with drops. It ttok me 4 month of doing 10 man Malygos to finally get the footprints. In the 5 month I do Sartharion 25 Illustration only dropped once and I can't seem to get a decent 213 ilvl belt from naxx :-(.Kehlimhttp://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostwolf&n=Kehlimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-2025271256891282092009-04-12T10:14:00.000-05:002009-04-12T10:14:00.000-05:00Fantastic list! Now if only I was a boomkin....\/t...Fantastic list! <BR/><BR/>Now if only I was a boomkin....\<BR/><BR/>/tree tears<BR/><BR/>=PAvernahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05745045119122468517noreply@blogger.com