tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post5523843262022080689..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Moonkin Meta GemsGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-65348792206012232582009-02-13T15:11:00.000-06:002009-02-13T15:11:00.000-06:00Long time listener, first time caller - Incredible...Long time listener, first time caller - <BR/><BR/>Incredible post! Precisely the number-crunching I was looking for.<BR/><BR/>And just at the end, Broedbacken beat me to the root of my quandary. I knew that the crit dmg bonus was the cream filling of this gem, but the idea of having to replace two runed scarlets, aka 38 SP with two blues, aka 20.4 SP (18+(16x.15), for a seemingly tiny smattering of extra crit dmg just didn't make sense to me. I would have guessed that the gemming req's would be the typical reason most boomers would pick ember over chaotic (I rarely go oom, so mana is a non-issue)<BR/><BR/>But Broed's right, thanks to your math, it's clear that's still not enough to push ember back up over the top. Wish I'd read this before buying the ember last night. ugh!<BR/><BR/>Tsunamee - Firetree/USAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-40859016441249277632009-02-04T20:19:00.000-06:002009-02-04T20:19:00.000-06:00Thanks for this blog - I like it a lot.-I do agree...Thanks for this blog - I like it a lot.<BR/>-<BR/>I do agree that Chaotic is a better choice then Ember, but it seems to me you missed an important fact. The good thing about Ember is it requirements - Chaotic forces you to gem 2 blues which would give you 18 SP and 16 Spirit while Ember gives you 38 SP. It wont bring ember over the top though<BR/><BR/>/BroedbackenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-34282453788222050482009-01-28T10:49:00.000-06:002009-01-28T10:49:00.000-06:00@CdinNature's grace and alot of haste rating. Once...@Cdin<BR/><BR/>Nature's grace and alot of haste rating. Once I get the 1st wrath off, and throw in heroism, I turn into a machine gun. Fully raid buffed gets me over 2400 sp. Druid buffs alone I run around 2063. <BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong, SF, when questing is still the way to go, but in long boss fights where it's a dps race before rage, you need to turn damage fast and SF just doesn't cut it. <BR/><BR/>My armory is Hoots Alexstraza. I don't think I logged off in my pvp gear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-43024089726402377562009-01-27T15:01:00.000-06:002009-01-27T15:01:00.000-06:00Thanks for the clarification on this assuming a ra...Thanks for the clarification on this assuming a raid-buffed moonkin. I went wide-eyed assuming you meant 2K unbuffed.<BR/><BR/>As a side note, I'd love to find a discussion of the 'hidden' crit rate that a moonkin has for different talents. I'm by NO means uber, pushing only 1600 SP unbuffed, but in dungeons using Wrath to proc SF Eclipses, I can easily achieve 50% crit rate on my SF spells. Which just makes a moonkin smile.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for another great post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-79841899076945887522009-01-27T13:44:00.000-06:002009-01-27T13:44:00.000-06:00@Anonymous 2They 2000 SP and 35 crit are fully rai...@Anonymous 2<BR/><BR/>They 2000 SP and 35 crit are fully raid buffed. In terms of SP you can pick up 125 from a flask, 140 from the Flametounge Totem, 46 from food, and more from MotW, AI, Kings, Divine Spirit.<BR/><BR/>My current armory says I have 1936 SP. Fully raid buffed and in form I have over 2400 with the gear in my armory.<BR/><BR/>For crit chance 35% is fairly easy to get to also, at least for 25man raiders. Improved Scorch gives you 10%, 5% from Moonkin Form, 4% from Nature's Majisty. Thats 19% right there. The next 16% is easy.<BR/><BR/>I've seen some people report 17k, Usually that happens when people get multiple trinket procs at the same time.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-23197083656482095212009-01-27T12:34:00.000-06:002009-01-27T12:34:00.000-06:00Great post as always!You write though that use a s...Great post as always!<BR/>You write though that use a standard "value" of 2000 spellpower and 35% crit. How is that standard? I just dont get it. I have a mix of gear from all the 25 and 10 man raids, plus some badge gear. Im at 1950spellpower and 24,50 crit. Where did you get the last 10%?<BR/><BR/>Plus one of the comments lists 17k starfire crits. I get 12k crits. Wheres the rest of the damage?<BR/><BR/>How you guys can help cast some light on things:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-2393946581810020382009-01-26T15:56:00.000-06:002009-01-26T15:56:00.000-06:00@AllisonI feel your pain. As my blog gets more pop...@Allison<BR/><BR/>I feel your pain. As my blog gets more popular I get more and more comments and emails, about how I left off something obvious off of my post. Since my traffic is no were close to WoWInsiders, I can't imagin the flames you guys get.<BR/><BR/>It doesn't surprise me that Moonkin is a lot more popular now. I know a couple of ferals that have made the switch because they are unhappy with the current state of feral. Also, since Moonkins do nice DPS now, I think a lot of resto's are winning he arguments with thier guilds to switch. I know I have seen an increase in traffic, and I've gotten a lot more requests for help.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, If you would like any help with Shifting Perspectives please let me know. I would love to write something for WoWInsider.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-62833826257302268442009-01-26T14:37:00.000-06:002009-01-26T14:37:00.000-06:00Thanks for the clarification, Graylo - and you wer...Thanks for the clarification, Graylo - and you were correct on the reason behind the inclusion of the Ember Skyflare.<BR/><BR/>Almost everything I saw (and a little work on a calculator) seemed to bear out the assertion that the Chaotic was a better choice, but I have a tendency to get nabbed every time I list only one thing as the "best." Invariably someone cooks up a gear set or situation where it's not, and then I am smugly reprimanded for my decision to exclude another choice. While I hope the gear posts are helpful, it is an extraordinarily demoralizing experience to spend days writing, fact-checking, and formatting one and then face the inevitable wave of readers whose only real purpose is to write some form of "Gotcha!" in the comments. Hence "Some people prefer the Ember Skyflare," or similar concessionary statements. I guess you could call it the Warcraft version of CYA. <BR/><BR/>Unless Armory statistics are wildly off (and I don't think they are, because the most reputable ones are using "polling" methodology straight out a textbook), the balance spec has more than doubled in popularity since Burning Crusade. All three Druid specs are roughly comparable right now with respect to population numbers (+/- 3% either way) so I'm going to be doing my level best to keep "Shifting Perspectives" examining all three as equally as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-10570655222024177912009-01-26T14:15:00.000-06:002009-01-26T14:15:00.000-06:00@HootsStarfire is generally considered to be bette...@Hoots<BR/><BR/>Starfire is generally considered to be better then Wrath for a several reasons.<BR/><BR/>1. Glyphs - The Starfire glyph is clearly better then the Wrath glyph. This prompts at least three SF casts in every rotation.<BR/><BR/>2. Eclipse - In most cases the Starfire eclipse is better then the wrath eclipse. The only exception to this that I know of is Lotheb.<BR/><BR/>3. Haste - Starfire scales with Haste much better then wrath does. Wrath does not receive the full benefit of Heroism or Natures Grace because it is such a short cast.<BR/><BR/>4. Lag - There is some lag in every cast. It is unavoidable. Since you have to cast wrath more often it is affected by the lag much more then SF is.<BR/><BR/>In terms of pure numbers Wrath is more DPS then SF, but the differences are small.<BR/><BR/>Also, I would really like to know how you get 3 wroths of in the time it takes to cast 1 starfire. I'll be honest with you, I don't think it is possible.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48477937618301421922009-01-26T12:03:00.000-06:002009-01-26T12:03:00.000-06:00Another great post. I really love when you calcul...Another great post. I really love when you calculate out the math for certain things to confirm things like the meta gem for moonkins.<BR/><BR/>I already used the gem, but its great to know that someone has already done the math and proven that 3% extra crit damage > all other meta gem options. <BR/><BR/>I really do wish, however, that there was a +25 spell power, and +3% crit damage gem out there. That would be incredible.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again,<BR/><BR/>Macbook, http://Moonkin.infoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-25480216075067537452009-01-26T11:56:00.000-06:002009-01-26T11:56:00.000-06:00I agree with you 100%. Chaotic Skyflare Diamond is...I agree with you 100%. Chaotic Skyflare Diamond is the only way to go. <BR/><BR/>I just have a comment on your usage of Starfire over Wrath as a moonkin primary weapon. And it's not just you, but many boomkin specialist say the same things.<BR/><BR/>Starfire is better than Wrath. What?<BR/><BR/>I have used every combination in the book, and every time I use Starfire as my primary attack, my overall damage and my DPS fall significantly. <BR/><BR/>When I use Wrath, I almost always top the charts in 25 man content. <BR/><BR/>Now, I have read all the numbers, yours included, but when applied, they don't seem to pan out. Wrath is by far the superior weapon. <BR/><BR/>To put it another way, I crit with Starfire at about 17k. I crit with Wrath around 7k. I can get 3 Wrath's off in the time it takes to get 1 Starfire off. <BR/><BR/>That's 21k in Wrath vs 17k in Starfire. <BR/><BR/>Am I the only Moonkin that does this?<BR/><BR/>HootsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com