tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post5683848923976934740..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Patch Notes: Starsurge Nerf?Graylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-40340229714614148482011-03-31T08:47:13.254-05:002011-03-31T08:47:13.254-05:00@Genaro
No offset, because every moonkin should a...@Genaro<br /><br />No offset, because every moonkin should already have 3/3 starlight wrath and it didn't change the 3/3 buff level.Dreslavnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-68073920275013280922011-03-28T04:42:38.072-05:002011-03-28T04:42:38.072-05:00Latest PTR notes on MMO Champion have the followin...Latest PTR notes on MMO Champion have the following Balance change:<br /><br />Starlight Wrath now Reduces the cast time of your Wrath and Starfire spells by 0.15/0.25 sec, up from 0.1/0.2 sec<br /><br />Maybe this will make up for the Starsurge nerf? <br /><br />Math wizards do your thang!Genaronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-76666464000323932752011-03-15T11:18:30.475-05:002011-03-15T11:18:30.475-05:00Jesus so much QQ over one little change that ISNT ...Jesus so much QQ over one little change that ISNT LIVE!! It's not like they took away a core mechanic or cut your total dps by 20% Relax, and complain if it goes live. <br /><br />As to why it happened, yes it's because of us pvpers, but the last thing pve'ers should be doing is complaining. So much of what we deal with in PVP is because of pve (warriors globaling things, frost mages having high dps with their control, ret pallies being a wrecking ball) that sometimes it swings the other way. The reason behind it is a comp called Affl/Booom/resto sham. Its season 9s cheese comp and its rolling through people like nobodies business, with the moonkin topping dps by miles, despite being trained all game. Every top boomkin is playing this comp and is getting glad for it. I found it incredibly boring, because all you do is dot EVERYTHING (including pets) get eclipse, spam sunfire, profit. It's fairly lame<br /><br />Anyways, thats the reason, they want less burst in pvp, less cheese in this comp, and I know nerfs suck, but guess what, we get screwed in pvp by pvp buff/nerfs all the time, so idk what to tell ya. =DUdderlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-75592980212945613592011-03-14T13:19:12.260-05:002011-03-14T13:19:12.260-05:00Eeeek more nerfs. . .Since cata my boomie has gone...Eeeek more nerfs. . .Since cata my boomie has gone from being in the top two dps to dead last. I keep respecing and trying different rotations, but all to no avail. Blizzard has sucessfully turned my main into an alt :( <br />It is fursterating to run with a kitty that is less geared and have her consistantly out DPS me.<br />I don't need to be OP to be happy, but it sucks to be the bottom slot every time. Now they want to nerf one more spell? No wonder so many folks are moving to rift.Nightwhisphttp://whispernight.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-17618945693084410222011-03-06T03:04:43.563-06:002011-03-06T03:04:43.563-06:00Just spam IS, MF/SnF on every enemie you see and i...Just spam IS, MF/SnF on every enemie you see and imagine what happen when you are in the alterac valley.<br />Just boost a little bite more your dps using Starfall, and cut all casters who are pack near the flag.<br /><br />Yeah, that's a pvp reason, i'm affraid :xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-74163645960701749122011-03-04T20:18:38.662-06:002011-03-04T20:18:38.662-06:00I remember someone saying it elsewhere but it seem...I remember someone saying it elsewhere but it seems like the Starsurge nerf is a step in a direction towards making Moonkins more viable in PvP. With such a hard hitting spell and RNG it, as you said, can lead to ridiculous burst. In PvP, against resil stacked targets I believe a single Starsurge crit can do around 30k, coupled with Solar Beam and a good stun, that can just nuke someone down in seconds.<br /><br />I'm not worried about this change at all. I'm sure sometime in the next two weeks we'll see buffs elsewhere in our spells/talents.Ryuujinhttp://www.vitality-nerzhul.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-45703766901052922742011-03-04T18:04:39.146-06:002011-03-04T18:04:39.146-06:00@Cryj
You assume alot out of blizzard young jedi....@Cryj<br /><br />You assume alot out of blizzard young jedi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49352064097294815762011-03-04T16:48:25.216-06:002011-03-04T16:48:25.216-06:00If the nerf is the result of SS procs leading to m...If the nerf is the result of SS procs leading to massive burst, why not just add an internal cooldown to it rather than decrease the damage?<br /><br />Or am I missing something?Cryj/Farstridersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-22901172271020683912011-03-04T14:47:34.453-06:002011-03-04T14:47:34.453-06:00This "nerf" is based on pvp battle groun...This "nerf" is based on pvp battle grounds. If any of you have been in the arena as I have, Moonkins get embarrassed at best against most classes. We do however smash a FEW classes. That being said, a Balance druid can sit back in a BG and through around dots waiting for instant cast Starsurge and blow people up. Enough people have QQ'd about it to make Bllizz propose a change. The change to the BASE damage is something that Blizz is still working out thus it being in the patch notes and not yet live. I wouldn't freak out too much about it as I am sure it will be reversed. <br /><br />We don't need another nerf (the 5% dmg from moonkin form was dumb. we never got our day in the sun for too long) and this starsurge business is tardy cocka horse bukaki.<br /><br />There are other classes which need some balancing. LEAVE CHICKENS ALONE!!! Let us be for at least 2 freaking weeks.Volunsteer - Shadowmoonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49910784789577864632011-03-04T14:13:29.450-06:002011-03-04T14:13:29.450-06:00Damn this crap really pisses me off! As the saying...Damn this crap really pisses me off! As the saying goes: "PVP is why we can't have nice things in PVE."<br /><br />Also, EJ regular Calculated discusses this on his blog (start reading here): <br />http://www.intent-kt.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2288&start=30#p15062mushunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-36747590475011236552011-03-04T08:42:46.931-06:002011-03-04T08:42:46.931-06:00This is definitely stemmed from PvP since this abi...This is definitely stemmed from PvP since this ability can produce some pretty over the top crits and RNG completely swaying matches is not something that can really be considered "competitive", particularly in arena.<br /><br />I really would like to see this ability have some kind of dot portion to it so the damage output still remains the same, similar to what they did with Conflag. Suggesting another nerf to Moonfury is more frustrating than anything really, since it affects our scaling dramatically and will just produce more problems in the future.<br /><br />I would hope these nerfs would bring more attention to Moonkin PvP yet they never change much of anything in regard to our other problems (self healing in particular, compared to pure DPS classes).<br /><br />- Dignam, US CrushridgeUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09887147897645824105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-8183092035200933062011-03-04T02:44:23.827-06:002011-03-04T02:44:23.827-06:00From my perspective as casual moonkin (350 item le...From my perspective as casual moonkin (350 item level, 10man normal raiding) these nerfs suck big time.<br /><br />My DPS is ok on multiple target fights. But on single target fights I have no chance keeping up with Warlocks or Hunters since the patch.Sargehttp://www.wickedweasel.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-63593725888124884212011-03-03T22:20:19.413-06:002011-03-03T22:20:19.413-06:00Let me preface this by saying I don't like thi...Let me preface this by saying I don't like this nerf and I don't really agree with it.<br /><br />That said, I think I know what they're seeing in PvP. I don't think a flat nerf to Starsurge is the solution, but I'm going to loosely assume that they see things I don't.<br /><br />In PvP right now (in battlegrounds, since that's where I spend the most time in PvP as a moonkin), I can generally just hop around spamming Moonfire and hitting Shooting Stars-procced Starsurge. I've seen it crit against players for 76k+, and if I happen to have a healer in my back pocket (which I often do), I can survive for quite a while against multiple enemies. I generally come out at the top for damage done (like it actually matters) and in the top 5 for HK's and KB's. I casually do arenas, and I found moonkin to still be too squishy for my team's composition.<br /><br />If anything, I'd think that changing the way Moonfire and Shooting Stars works would be a better solution for fixing the battleground "problem" without screwing us out of our PvE performance.Ambermisthttp://battlechicken.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-20990354331080677242011-03-03T22:17:35.871-06:002011-03-03T22:17:35.871-06:00What stands out more than anything in the world of...What stands out more than anything in the world of logs chart is just how much worse Ele shaman are compared to other caster dps. Quite staggering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-85844614085847157122011-03-03T22:11:01.963-06:002011-03-03T22:11:01.963-06:00The PVP nerf is BS. If you're able to live you...The PVP nerf is BS. If you're able to live you're not going around two shotting things with starsurge. With the level of resil you'd be lucky to get it to crit for 50k. Right now we have no defensive CDs, horrible CC( which is also getting nerfed), and heals that are laughable compared to rogues, DKs, and warriors. So what's wrong with us having a little burst dmg, if that's what u want to call itMisguidednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37079451510389464702011-03-03T20:09:48.854-06:002011-03-03T20:09:48.854-06:00Blizzard have already changed spell to behave diff...Blizzard have already changed spell to behave differently in PVE and PVP. <br /><br />Why not apply the same mechanic to all spells, leaving PVP nerfs strictly for PVP and vice versa?Epidemaishttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dathremar/epidemais/advancednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-39135598961717721882011-03-03T19:28:28.813-06:002011-03-03T19:28:28.813-06:00@Andreas
Remember there's a difference betwee...@Andreas<br /><br />Remember there's a difference between Patch Notes and MMO Data Mining.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-61742547521307299332011-03-03T18:44:14.070-06:002011-03-03T18:44:14.070-06:00Nerfing Balanced for PvP as of 4.06 is sheer idioc...Nerfing Balanced for PvP as of 4.06 is sheer idiocy. I can't speak for Boomkins wearing the best gear in the game and know the game like the back of their hand but for those of us average players, we're dead meat in PvP. Looong cast times on everything save dots that get dispelled. Core spells getting timed and locked out after seeing us dot. Cast times on heals you could measure in "Oh crap, it looks as if I'm going to die one more time this evening! 1-1000 Oh crap, it looks as if I'm going to die one more time this evening! 2-1000..."Alan Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00669565332075044743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-7124211320256085152011-03-03T17:04:36.146-06:002011-03-03T17:04:36.146-06:00Patchnotes was later changed to say reduced BASE d...Patchnotes was later changed to say reduced BASE damage by 20%, with number to go along.<br />IF that is teh case it's a vastly smaller nerf then we initiallly thoguht.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812913277311921020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-16735266766999016332011-03-03T16:55:31.995-06:002011-03-03T16:55:31.995-06:00I find it rather hard to belive it´s caused by PvP...I find it rather hard to belive it´s caused by PvP since with some resil starsurge hits are more of a tickle on anyone.Xaktsarothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-3767597792072844412011-03-03T15:58:48.331-06:002011-03-03T15:58:48.331-06:00These days, I think that if a specific spell is ne...These days, I think that if a specific spell is nerfed, it's either due to PvP, or to fix a "rotational imbalance" where the normal PvE rotation of the class isn't what Blizzard wants it to be.<br /><br />If it's an actual PvE issue (the class dps is too low or too high) it seems that Blizzard is more likely to fix that by changing the overall spec bonus or changing the mastery bonus/scaling, rather than individual spells.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.com