tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post644897899907004031..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: My Thoughts on Multi-DoTingGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-59160881489411308372011-04-26T21:37:06.281-05:002011-04-26T21:37:06.281-05:00i haven't played much since cata came out, and...i haven't played much since cata came out, and i don't know how you have your keys bound, but I used the tab key (default target next enemy) a lot, especially for small groups of enemies, and found it extremely effective. With a little practice this allows you to switch between enemies very quickly, doesn't require macros or additional addons, and makes the enemy your target. With a little practice and feel for the dot timing, you will be switching to adds with 3,2, or 1 second on dots left. Also, you do not have to see name plates or move your cursor. it also targets enemies in front of you first i think, allowing you to target adds that are separated by some distance easily. Food for thought i hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-35072878329466943582011-04-10T17:51:43.017-05:002011-04-10T17:51:43.017-05:00myb i have to seperate it or so :D
http://rapidsh...myb i have to seperate it or so :D<br /><br />http://rapidshare.com/files/456830248/<br /><br />WoWScrnShot_041111_002717.jpgWhitestrifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-86817497131936003592011-04-10T17:50:49.129-05:002011-04-10T17:50:49.129-05:00http://rapidshare.com/files/456830248/WoWScrnShot_...http://rapidshare.com/files/456830248/WoWScrnShot_041111_002717.jpg<br /><br />it didnt take the full link in the last comment :D<br /><br />i dont know, myb not my dayWhitestrifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-72923241599923093852011-04-10T17:48:06.346-05:002011-04-10T17:48:06.346-05:00sooo myb your busy atm
i link it for you here if ...sooo myb your busy atm<br /><br />i link it for you here if you back here and wants to take a look at<br /><br />on the top left side right under my health bar, there shows the bossbars up with nothing more then a huge percent text for bosses like the Twilight Ascendant Council. In this pic its invisible cause there are no bosses around : )<br /><br />http://rapidshare.com/files/456830248/WoWScrnShot_041111_002717.jpgWhitestrifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-76897640489237456682011-04-07T19:42:24.646-05:002011-04-07T19:42:24.646-05:00For V&T I use a very simple macro just saying ...For V&T I use a very simple macro just saying /focus for the one in the air, and apply it when shes taking off. From there I just cast IS and MF with my focus target modifier. And if I need to move I just apply dots again. Constantly ranking high there so its not too bad.oggyowlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-29456730703571831292011-04-07T09:12:12.029-05:002011-04-07T09:12:12.029-05:00So, I downloaded TidyPlates to work on multidottin...So, I downloaded TidyPlates to work on multidotting, and I found that I don't really look at them at all. Most of the time, the 2-3 mobs are either stacked directly on top of each other (H. Halfus), or are too far apart for me to see both plates easily without rotating my camera up to the ceiling (H. Valiona). <br /><br />Everytime my main focus' dots expired, I'd just refresh them on everything which seemed to work pretty well. <br /><br />I might use a target last target macro for fights with only 2 adds, but other than that, TidyPlates just seemed to be a waste of addon space.<br /><br />Does anyone else have any helpful addons?Shynernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-48774958239576495742011-04-07T00:08:12.453-05:002011-04-07T00:08:12.453-05:00Funny -- I was going to write you to ask to put up...Funny -- I was going to write you to ask to put up an article on this very subject :)<br /><br />I've been struggling w/ multi-DoTing as well.<br /><br />I just started playing w/ a few tactics:<br /><br />For fights w/ two targets, I focus the alternate target and then I used the addon "NeedToKnow" to set up DoT monitors on my focused target. I have this moved to the left side of my screen and I keep my main UI elements that track DoTs/CDs/etc on the right side.<br /><br />I bound a key to "target last target" and I use that to switch more quickly.<br /><br />This works fairly well on a fight like Nefarion, but doesn't seem to work well for AOE DoTing. I just downloaded TidyPlates and have been trying to get it configured to my liking. You can configure TidyPlates to put only specific DoTs on the nameplates.<br /><br />I'd love to see some math on what the best DoT refreshing strategy is -- esp on a two target fight and w/ a 4-set bonus.<br /><br />I'm also not sure which of my glyphs is best in this scenario as well...Ian Darkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920625574492940862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-58538128117262758462011-04-06T22:55:36.648-05:002011-04-06T22:55:36.648-05:00@shyner - plate buffs lets you choose which buffs/...@shyner - plate buffs lets you choose which buffs/debuffs show above frames. You can't select certain frames to show through it (but i know tidy does this) but it will limit the amount of boxes above the plates to whatever you pickUddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-54706141488179036842011-04-05T11:51:14.562-05:002011-04-05T11:51:14.562-05:00I like the idea of how TidyPlates shows the dots a...I like the idea of how TidyPlates shows the dots above the target, but I don't want to have to turn addons on and off depending on the fight.<br /><br />That addon will make fights like H. Halfus and H. Maloriak a HUGE clusterf***. <br /><br />I use xperl for my unitframes, and I'm able to see only my dots that are on my focus. Is there no addon that lets me have multiple focus'? That seems the easiest way of tracking dots.Shynernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-47303830928011767692011-04-05T07:09:58.842-05:002011-04-05T07:09:58.842-05:00Eu-Eredar Char: Whitestrife
Heh gray, i enjoy you...Eu-Eredar Char: Whitestrife<br /><br />Heh gray, i enjoy your indeep thoughts about wow since wotlk and it always helps me alot to improve my theoritical knowedge.<br /><br />I am sure that i can now help you improve your dps, explaining how to manage your interface better.<br /><br />If you want you can add me ingame for detailt infos: Cid-xp@web.de<br /><br />My interface is based on 3 ideas: as simple and inconspicuous as possible, as less addons and memory usage as possible with as much as possible raidinformation, targetinformation, easy to see multitarget vision and so on.<br /><br />That interface is a ongoing work of about 3 years moonkinbased raidinginterface. I am a perfectionist so i never stop tuning here and there :) i just do this as a hobby just for me but if i can help you i will do my best. I can upload a few pics after work if i made you curious now how this will look like.<br /><br />Best regrets and sorry my bad english<br /><br />WhiteWhitestrifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-39131202574228985982011-04-05T06:00:41.014-05:002011-04-05T06:00:41.014-05:00#showtooltip
/cleartarget [@target,dead]
/clearfoc...#showtooltip<br />/cleartarget [@target,dead]<br />/clearfocus [@focus,dead]<br />/target focus<br />/cleartarget [@focus,noexists]<br />/targetlasttarget<br />/focus target<br />/targetlasttarget<br />-----<br />I find this macro super-useful for fights with 2 targets. You set one on focus and target the other one: once you press the macro, it automatically switches targets (and focus), making multi-dotting very easy (specially with a good keybind for it, I personally use "\" - on the left of "1").<br />You could say "just use tab", but tab doesn't work when you're not facing the target. Also, you can track your dots by just watching frames using this macro if you don't like addons.<br />If you don't have a focus yet, it will focus yuor target and drop it (your target), which can result in a dps loss if you're not used to this macro; therefore, just use it before the fight starts to set focus (or manually click the frame) and then use it midfight for a fast focus/target switch.<br />Have fun :)<br /><br />PS: I'm not totally sure that it'll work as it changed something from then copy/paste in this comment form, report any error please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-90306623421841371392011-04-04T09:20:37.531-05:002011-04-04T09:20:37.531-05:00/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cf.../script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cff9d9d9d\124Hitem:43705:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h[Danath's Copper Coin]\124h\124r");long time lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-29416691193648550552011-04-02T17:00:26.431-05:002011-04-02T17:00:26.431-05:00As mainly a PVPer now, who used to raid alot, I ha...As mainly a PVPer now, who used to raid alot, I have an addon I think is amazing for this (I play affliction and moonkin in pvp atm, which is strictly about keeping max dot time on multiple targets 3-5 usually). Platebuffs is fantastic because it shows each dot above the nameplate of the target and the time remaining. If you use a nameplate addon already, you can use that to resize your nameplates too, if you find them to be too big for your taste, but this is how I deal with them in arena, when targets are far less predictable in their placement and dots are getting cleansed off as well, so you have to watch closely to be able to refresh. Hope this helps!Uddsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-9441084334058044442011-04-02T14:55:14.288-05:002011-04-02T14:55:14.288-05:00I have looked at Raven as a replacement for Elkan...I have looked at Raven as a replacement for Elkano's BB.. if it can track multiple targets I must try it.<br />If you use Clique, in the options of each spell, you can make the spell hovercast with any target specified or hovercast global..these are mouse over macros. Personaly I have wheelmouse up to MF/SF and wmdown to IS. I use tidy plates also.Stanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12402813312713591703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67006707241163909812011-04-02T06:41:13.418-05:002011-04-02T06:41:13.418-05:00I believe multi-dotting in Wrath was never used co...I believe multi-dotting in Wrath was never used cos the DpET of dots was less than nukes so you were better off single targeting or aoeing.<br /><br />As for now: I'm also a fond user of PowerAuras. I have IS set up to the left, and MF to the right of my character, with timers below the icons. Quite simply I just tab from add to add until the sequence returns me to the first target, wait for that timer to expire and start over. On Magmaw I'll drop my Shrooms on the ranged player (i spec into FG for this) in anticipation of the pillar, then detonate as the adds appear, TAB, IS, MF, TAB, repeat til all are dotted, WMx3, Detonate, rinse and repeat til they're dead.<br />I use a Belkin N52TE game pad and have my keys set up like this:<br />Top row (right to left): Starsurge/Typhoon (shift mod), Wrath/Starsurge macro, IS, WM Detonate, SHIFT.<br />Middle row: Starfall/Solarbeam (shift mod), Starfire/Starsurge macro, MF, TAB.<br />Bottom row: CTRL far left for push to talk. <br />Index finger runs SS & Starfall, Middle finger Wrath & Starfire, Ring finger IS & MF, and Little finger shift mod, TAB and Vent. Thumb stays on the D-pad for moving, and right hand keeps right mouse button held down so I can turn while casting or strafe as necessary.Lespaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-42235270365151351982011-04-01T10:18:38.779-05:002011-04-01T10:18:38.779-05:00I just added multi-target dot timers to Raven in t...I just added multi-target dot timers to Raven in the latest release (version r143). Well, I call them debuff trackers since you can track any debuffs you want using white or black lists. They are useful for keeping an eye on CC targets as well as watching your moonfires and insect swarms. There is also equivalent for buff tracking to watch thorns and hots, if you want.<br /><br />I find using Raven together with TidyPlates is a good solution since Raven makes it easy to monitor expiration times for all mobs at a glance and TidyPlates help re-select targets when it is time to refresh debuffs.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01765567240236748424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-35281797506547278982011-04-01T02:37:11.320-05:002011-04-01T02:37:11.320-05:00The problem with tidyplates you have is because by...The problem with tidyplates you have is because by default Blizzard don't allow overlapping the nameplates of mobs. You have to check ok that option in the game configuration (I don't remember exactly where it was), or check ok the same option in the tydplates configuration<br /><br />(I had this problem after patch 4.0.1 in HC LK, the mobs bars started to dance like a freek and I couldn't see shit even if my life was counting on it)Venasaurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-56424131759938560212011-03-31T19:02:29.300-05:002011-03-31T19:02:29.300-05:00Thanks for the post, I have been looking for somet...Thanks for the post, I have been looking for something on this.Lakinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04668120666561210976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-76391403393527345752011-03-31T11:39:02.819-05:002011-03-31T11:39:02.819-05:00I am a tidy plate user myself. I also use tidy pl...I am a tidy plate user myself. I also use tidy plates for watching the timers of my CCs so I know when to reapply without having to re-target or focus the mob.<br /><br />Tidy plate can be prone to clutter and you can play around with the setting to reduce it but with a ton of mobs it can still be an issue.<br /><br />I noticed that tidy plates appears to have a mob popup list of multiple mobs. I haven't played around with it too much but I wonder what functionality that option has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-23255979103913906822011-03-31T11:09:05.215-05:002011-03-31T11:09:05.215-05:00instead of mouseover macros cluttering my action b...instead of mouseover macros cluttering my action bars, i like to take direction from my resto setup and use clique for things like DoTs and CC. It allows you to set click combos to hostile or friendly, so you can use the same combo like shift-left click to heal friendly units or dot enemy targets, which is very useful. it also allows you to assign fully functional macros to click combos, something i think a lot of people don't realize.<br /><br />i've also tried forte exorcist and while i agree that it causes too much clutter, if i could figure out how to seperate the current target timers from the secondary timers, it might be useful to put smaller timers for the secondary targets somewhere off to the side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-70482334565385661052011-03-31T10:48:53.038-05:002011-03-31T10:48:53.038-05:00I think there is an easier way :) All of your dots...I think there is an easier way :) All of your dots have the same duration, yes? So dot your main target first, then your secondary target. When your dots are about to run out on your main target, refresh them, then switch to your secondary target and refresh them there. Then switch back and continue dps. The works as long as the time to switch between targets is roughly the same, which it usually is, or you can focus your second target if you feel you might have trouble finding them again.Meadownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-62956300091052081202011-03-31T10:44:24.704-05:002011-03-31T10:44:24.704-05:00I've been toying with setting up tidyplates to...I've been toying with setting up tidyplates to do this. My strategy is to combine the fact that you can keybind the mousewheel with the mouseover macros people have posted. So you see that the DoT needs to be refreshed on a mob's tidy plate, and you just hover over the mob and mousewheel up, then mousewheel down to refresh as quickly as possible.<br /><br />This would ALSO help aoe-dotting too.Duskstormnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-75105870088482937522011-03-31T10:25:44.308-05:002011-03-31T10:25:44.308-05:00Graylo, good post. I've been working on this ...Graylo, good post. I've been working on this exact same issue for about a week now. Here's my current solution that has significantly increased my dps:<br /><br />1. Install TidyPlates which shows the Dots right on each mobs nameplate with a number counting down the seconds left on IS and Moonfire/Sunfire. This solves the problem of knowing which mobs need to be Dotted or refreshed. Note that the default setting of TidyPlates shows a counter for Earth and Moon, but this can be removed in the settings.<br /><br />2. Create a mouseover macro so with one keypress you can refresh you dot on whatever target your mouse is over. As you mentioned in your post, there's a nasty bug affecting Sunfire macros making them nearly impossible. There are two workarounds that I have developed (note that I use the same keybind for both IS and Moonfire/Sunfire, but one requires the Shift key to be held down).<br /><br />IS/Moonfire/Sunfire Macro Version 1:<br /><br />/tar [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]<br />/click [nomodifier:shift] NAMEOFBUTTONWITHMOONFIRE<br />/cast [modifier:shift] Insect Swarm<br />/targetlasttarget [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]<br /><br />This one instantaneously changes your target to your mouseover, casts the appropriate dot, and then changes your target back to your previous target. If you have no mouseover, then it casts the dots on your target. NAMEOFBUTTONWITHMOONFIRE should be replaced with a button on your action bars somewhere that contains the moonfire/sunfire spell pulled from your spellbook. This use of /click fixes the Moonfire/Sunfire bug and allows Moonfire or Sunfire to be cast correctly during eclipse. However, there's a bug in this macro if your main target, aka the boss, is also your mouseover target. When that happens it will clear your target after the macro runs. This was a little clunky and there's no way to directly fix it, so I redesigned the macro to the one below.<br /><br />IS/Moonfire/Sunfire Macro Version 2:<br /><br />/focus target<br />/tar [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]<br />/click [nomodifier:shift] NAMEOFBUTTONWITHMOONFIRE<br />/cast [modifier:shift] Insect Swarm<br />/target focus<br />/focus none<br /><br />This macro duplicates your current target as your focus, changes your target to your mouseover (if any), casts the appropriate Dot, targets your focus (your old target), and then clears your focus. This pretty much works perfectly with one caveat: you will lose your focus if you had one set before you cast the dot. As a moonkin, I rarely find myself needing to use the focus feature, so it's an acceptable trade off for me. I usually only need focus for roots/cyclone/hibernate, which don't come up all that often during raid bosses. For heroics and trash, I just have to remember to check on my cc target occasionally to see if I need to refresh.<br /><br />Hope this helps! <br /><br />PS - I re-wrote these macros from memory (not near my home pc), so let me know if they are not working and I can double check the code when I get home.Shaftsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-68375412454443788952011-03-31T09:41:45.948-05:002011-03-31T09:41:45.948-05:00On AddOns:
- TidyPlates shows icons of your DoTs ...On AddOns:<br /><br />- TidyPlates shows icons of your DoTs with timers above enemy nameplates, if you enable them (I think it is a default option, but I'm not sure). Main drawback: it adds some clutter in several fights.<br /><br />- Gnosis allows you to set up timers for DoTs on your target, focus, boss #4, party #1's target...<br /><br />Refreshing DoTs on all targets at the same time is perhaps the best strategy in terms of performance/complexityDimensionalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-61875708412053060342011-03-31T09:30:32.930-05:002011-03-31T09:30:32.930-05:00Tidy plates has a dot timer and you can filter whi...Tidy plates has a dot timer and you can filter which debuffs appear. I think it's worth a shot, I didn't like it though and just went back to the We single dot timer to reapply both.<br /><br />I also moved the boss frame in a little as well and made the debuffs larger.Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11732069059295034013noreply@blogger.com