tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post8059813632936111874..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Starfall BuffedGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-84633158445104582302010-02-28T12:46:12.843-06:002010-02-28T12:46:12.843-06:00I don't get it. I've run Simcraft with 3.3...I don't get it. I've run Simcraft with 3.3.3 patchdetails multiple times, included my current gear, BiS gear and the gear easy to obtain for me and I changed the spell rotation in many ways.<br />On ElitistJerks Forums the are even talking about IS, Starfall and Focus and dropping MF out of the rotation or Starfall, Focus and MF and dropping IS.<br /><br />But I always end up with keeping all spells and use MF, SF and IS glyphs as best DPS result.<br /><br />Could someone who is familiar with Wrathcalcs oder the ElitistJerks Spreadsheet verify this with this built?<br />http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=20913199<br /><br />Thanks so far<br />Nightedahs @Khaz'Goroth(EU)Nightedahsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-70762590468231491382010-02-27T16:02:21.370-06:002010-02-27T16:02:21.370-06:00Glyph choices are going to be really interesting.
...Glyph choices are going to be really interesting.<br /><br />Given my gear the theoretically BEST Glyph set up is Insect Swarm/ Focus/ Starfall with Moonfire being dropped from my rotation.<br /><br />It pulls about 20 more DPS than a Starfire/Starfall/Moonfire set up (dropping Insect Swarm from my rotation- 200 more DPS without dropping Insect Swarm).<br /><br />I think I'm going to go for the more versatile combo and use SF/SF/MF. It is marginally worse DPS but gives me the option of more tank avoidance and gives more range on my Starfall so I don't need to worry about being within 21 yards. I value versatility.Shemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281768586755536058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-49719503210436328542010-02-27T10:52:00.944-06:002010-02-27T10:52:00.944-06:00so..in 3.3.3, with 4xt10, are we going to drop com...so..in 3.3.3, with 4xt10, are we going to drop completely the dots unless in empty gcds ? (while moving for example).<br /><br />anyway, once you have glyph of starfall+focus, i honestly find difficult to believe as third glyph, starfire better than moonfire..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-26294877041111353402010-02-25T18:49:15.530-06:002010-02-25T18:49:15.530-06:00Once you move into 4t10 from 2t9, glyph of focus d...Once you move into 4t10 from 2t9, glyph of focus does come out ahead of glyph of moonfire in may of the gear scenarios I ran. This is on paper, and there will certainly be fights where focus cannot be utilized fully, and moonfire will prevail.<br /><br />For example; in my current gear (swapping 2t9 for 4t10) glyph of moonfire is worth 142dps, while glyph of focus is worth 174. <br /><br />On a patchwerk style fight, it would seem focus does win out, but its close, so any significant delay between starfall coming off cooldown and using starfall (inside 21 meters of the boss) will probably tip the balance in favor of moonfire.<br /><br />PS: If you have 2t9, moonfire is too strong to drop glyph of moonfire.Valrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-6683305146843657592010-02-25T18:21:05.463-06:002010-02-25T18:21:05.463-06:00It is a big change for this spell, but I think it ...It is a big change for this spell, but I think it will go live with a lot of that damage for two reasons:<br /><br />1) Moonkin are very bad in PvP. I PvP as balance and its very hard killing anything because we don't have a stun or interrupt (that we can keep doing damage in). The starfall change will allow us a few seconds of extra power to overwhelm someone quickly. <br /><br />1a). It can be countered fairly simply. Blizzard likes for people to pay attention or be punished for it, and this fits that model perfectly. As Moonkin, we have to pay attention to available stuns and the other faction has to pay attention to theirs to "reserve" one for you. I don't think there will be any "omg a moonkin team /quit" moments but we should be a more viable now. <br /><br />2) It's a solid way to increase our PVE damage without touching anything having to do with Eclipse, which they are on record as not going to touch until Cataclysm. <br /><br />2a) It frees up the hit debuff from IS for us to bring to raids. I think this is worth noting since a lot of the on proc auras are going permanent. It's another thing we can bring to the table. <br /><br />3). The big deal is the Nature's Grasp change. If I understand correctly, we could theoretically have an Enhancement shaman and its dogs on lock down. Another example is keeping that Ghoul Stun Ghoul locked down. It's amazing. The Typhoon mana reduction is nice as well. <br /><br />I look forward to some Moonkin PVP next patch as well as some increased DIPS in ICC. <br /><br />Eruantien<br />Detheroc-USEruantienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14205262184444873504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-3786326917425285942010-02-25T11:30:00.770-06:002010-02-25T11:30:00.770-06:00My initial commensts here:
http://elitistjerks.com...My initial commensts here:<br />http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t37039-moonkin_raiding/p132/#post1572022<br /><br />Also, ironically given my above post, the buff will in fact make Starfall do over 4500 per star.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722476612538640230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-12575201121366675252010-02-25T11:21:54.628-06:002010-02-25T11:21:54.628-06:00any math on glyph of focus over MF glyph (without ...any math on glyph of focus over MF glyph (without 2t9). if its dps decrease on single target, how many mobs should be there to make an increase?<br /><br />Parasha Aszune EUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-77550455629412469612010-02-25T10:59:19.672-06:002010-02-25T10:59:19.672-06:00Well it looks like the GC just posted a change in ...Well it looks like the GC just posted a change in the coefficient per star. Currently the coefficient is 0.048 and the new coefficient is 0.37.<br /><br />Time to redo the math.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-76177368991892281162010-02-25T09:21:31.527-06:002010-02-25T09:21:31.527-06:00"PvP is designed with the intent that things ..."PvP is designed with the intent that things can be countered."<br /><br />sure that is why most finishing moves are <br /><br />INSTANT<br /><br />moonkin pvp will continue to suffer till they figure out how to fix this class and actually put the effort in.<br /><br /><br />starfail is the wrong place to buff it since we are getting to the point where dots are not worth casting....and buff starfail and it makes IS even more worthlessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-71966721178645366702010-02-25T09:00:10.961-06:002010-02-25T09:00:10.961-06:00@Jay
You are correct, I posted this late last nig...@Jay<br /><br />You are correct, I posted this late last night my numbers are clearly wrong.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-78272393589751258292010-02-25T08:19:15.080-06:002010-02-25T08:19:15.080-06:00Did you sanity check these numbers at all? When t...Did you sanity check these numbers at all? When the last time you saw Starfall average out to 2800 damage per star?<br /><br />There are multiple posts about how that coefficient doesn't make sense to us:<br />http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425633044&sid=1<br />http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425373255&sid=1<br /><br />I know you want to quick to get a blog post up when something new happens, but think a little before claiming that Starfall will be doing 4500 per star (and simultaneously claiming that it currently does 2800 per star, which is obviously false).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722476612538640230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-77859358439429594812010-02-25T07:04:25.389-06:002010-02-25T07:04:25.389-06:00I'm not sure if you already thought of this or...I'm not sure if you already thought of this or not, but would IS even be worth using once it is no longer glyphed? And if not, would dropping it from the rotation mean that IIS would not be worth picking up either?<br /><br />-Vanadis, AlleriaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-17186948356901699702010-02-25T05:10:50.996-06:002010-02-25T05:10:50.996-06:00umm and what about glyph of focus?
too much?umm and what about glyph of focus?<br />too much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-86586112177112517792010-02-25T04:35:11.078-06:002010-02-25T04:35:11.078-06:004k5 per star... Just imagine this in 5vs5 arena co...4k5 per star... Just imagine this in 5vs5 arena context ^^<br />It would be overpowered.Owlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-29584228624684086342010-02-25T03:24:43.535-06:002010-02-25T03:24:43.535-06:00Yeah, i agree with Tradeek. I'm over 4k spd ra...Yeah, i agree with Tradeek. I'm over 4k spd raidbuffed and my stars hits for 822/1745 normal/crit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-73720549229695113782010-02-25T03:04:58.688-06:002010-02-25T03:04:58.688-06:00Are you sure about your maths concerning the curre...Are you sure about your maths concerning the current damage per star? I'm 4250SP raid buffed, and my stars only hit for 810, crit for 1740. With splashs being about 155 and 318, respectively. <br /><br />I just can't see how that'd equate to your listed numbers of 2800 damage per main star?Tradeeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-20083820586322220432010-02-25T02:23:14.552-06:002010-02-25T02:23:14.552-06:00I wonder if they will change IS and MF to be able ...I wonder if they will change IS and MF to be able to crit/scale with haste before the patch goes live.<br /><br />Seems they have done this for many classes this patch.<br /><br />If this happens, I assume that MF and IS (+glyph) will be back to old form and worth keeping up all the time again.<br /><br />Does your math back me up on this? And what DPS increase would we be looking at with a change like this?Miimsy @ Shadowsong EUnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-87862666537842047882010-02-25T02:13:33.693-06:002010-02-25T02:13:33.693-06:00What do you think about glyph of moonfire -> gl...What do you think about glyph of moonfire -> glyph of starfall switch?<br />There are many "run-like-hell" fights in ICC, especially on hardmodes. It's better to have more instant spells (+unglyphed moonfire) to cast while you're running. Don't you think so?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com