tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post8455962845298299009..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Epic Gems in Cata = A FailureGraylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-82130167247916997372012-01-23T13:11:29.303-06:002012-01-23T13:11:29.303-06:00I have been playing around with some ideas about e...I have been playing around with some ideas about epic gems for next expansion. <br /><br />It seems that when epic gems are releeased they throw the balance of power out of whack between professions. This requires other profession bonuses to be nerfed or the hardcore will switch to the OP Blacksmithing. <br /><br />Blizzard needs to make epic gems no longer give a stat bonus. Instead make it so that having X epic gems socketed in your gear gives you a proc based buff.<br /><br />For physical damage it could be attack power. Casters could get spell power. Tanks could get an abosrb shield or a heal that only procs when you drop below a certain amount of health. <br /><br />This would make epic gems a nice upgrade without a change in stats. Blacksmithing would not become overpowered and Jewelcrafting would not become underpowered. <br /><br />This could be combined with other peoples ideas as well. Epic gems could only be certain colors like yellow, green, and blue. Removing the primary dps stats and being a slight nerf to gem them before taking the proc into calculations.Chris Kilgorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16266463591339513969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-331210104400826482012-01-23T08:45:23.338-06:002012-01-23T08:45:23.338-06:00@Rohan
I like your idea of having gems just be sec...@Rohan<br />I like your idea of having gems just be secondary stats. If done well it would create more diversity of demand.<br /><br />@Kring<br />You're right. I had forgotten that they didn't change the profession bonuses with this. So, BS got a buff, JC really got screwed, and every other profession is nerfed in comparison to BS. Blizzard obviously knows about this issue, so it would be interesting to hear their reasoning as to why they didn't modify the professions this time.<br /><br />@Steko<br />If you're impling that I should have made 40kg from gems already in 4.3 then, you are grossly mistaken. You're making a ton of assumptions for that to be true. First, you have to kill the bosses to get the gems. Due to poor guild situations I've only killed Madness a few times and the others slightly more. I don't have anything close to 8 kills on every boss. Second, you're assuming a favorable drop rate. I've gotten 6 epic gems from DS. Only one of them has been red. As you can see from the table in the post the others don't sell anywhere near as well as the reds.<br /><br />@Anon1<br />A gold shink is a good thought. It may not be a traditional one in that we are giving an NPC thousands of gold, but indirectly it could work that way. A lot of players are making thousands of gold from the gems and could be buying things like Vial of the Sands with their new found wealth.<br /><br />@Anon4<br />I don't think you understand the mentality behind progression raiders and progression raiding.<br /><br />I agree that spending thousands of gold to pick up 10 Int doesn't make a lot of sense logically from a cost/benefit point of view, but that's not how most progression raiding guilds look at it. There are lots of players who spend tonnes of gold for small DPS increases, and they do it all the time.<br /><br />Also, I won't say that the world first guilds had 100% epic gems, but I bet you a lot of them were close. Those guys work for every small advantage, and that first week they were farming and buying as many gems as they could. I guarentee it.<br /><br />@eshua<br /><br />This isn't something you can really rely on the guild to buy since there aren't necessarily a lot of them out there. PLus my guild doesn't have 1,000,000 goldGraylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-71689477272736723612012-01-23T08:25:54.119-06:002012-01-23T08:25:54.119-06:00I actually really like the idea of just selling th...I actually really like the idea of just selling the gems directly. Let me spend five normal marks for one epic red, or two marks of deathwing, or I can buy geodes and play the lotto.<br /><br />That said... Pandaria absolutely must include a complete re-reckoning of gem stat distribution. Gems have become a way to make incomplete gear whole, rather than a customization system.Graehttp://outlandish.guildlaunch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67989381615205876142012-01-23T00:58:31.083-06:002012-01-23T00:58:31.083-06:00Raiding guilds have been selling crafting patterns...Raiding guilds have been selling crafting patterns...boe's and "cash flow" lvl 16 guild talent to mass big sums. <br /><br />I've raided in 3 different 25 man guilds with gbanks pushing 1 mil gold. <br /><br />This is a Gbank gold sink...and a casuals way into the real money market. I agree you can't play this game alone...but if you're gearing up with more hard mode loot that you can gem even with a guild bank backer...you need a new guild treasurer.Eshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04498194707505825012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-77851740118116074892012-01-22T19:05:24.987-06:002012-01-22T19:05:24.987-06:00I would argue that the expectation that you'll...I would argue that the expectation that you'll put epic red gems immediately into a BiS piece is faulty.<br /><br />An extra 20 Intellect for what will cost you between 8-16k is clearly not cost-effective.<br /><br />Gemming with epic gems as you get them? Not a problem, that makes sense. But the performance increase isn't going to possibly justify the vast expense. Especially since the world-first guilds certainly didn't have all their gear gemmed with epix.<br /><br />Personally, I don't plan on using anything more than a blue-grade gem in my gear this expansion. My guild is fairly casual, we're 7/8 and should hopefully hit 8/8 tonight. But as long as I can get more money from the (admittedly rare) epic gems than an extra 10 of my primary stat will get me in return, then I'm letting people give me their absurd quantities of money for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-74608971312137530002012-01-22T07:30:13.762-06:002012-01-22T07:30:13.762-06:00Must be alowed to prospect at least the pyrite for...Must be alowed to prospect at least the pyrite for epic gem drops also alchemy transmutation. <br /><br /> Else the epic gem accesability in a game who want to be accesible to everyone just suck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-47626760208798558162012-01-22T06:29:44.247-06:002012-01-22T06:29:44.247-06:00Is a joke the way they implement the epic gems.
...Is a joke the way they implement the epic gems. <br /><br /> The pvp- ers cant get them in a reliable way , and high end pvp being very competitive force them to spend a lot of money to regem. <br /><br /> Also being a jewelcrafter is a joke now cause you can't get a reliable source for gems . It doesn't matter you can cut all the cuts , you are useless cause you won't have what to cut. <br /><br /> What if you are a player who don't like raids but like to use your professions ? too bad , Blizzard send you a big middle finger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-74769254637445493692012-01-21T21:01:54.896-06:002012-01-21T21:01:54.896-06:00I agree with Rohan; they just put them in as a for...I agree with Rohan; they just put them in as a formality and they weren't really needed.<br /><br />Frankly I think they need to do away with single-stat gems, especially when most classes just want their primary state. Turn all the gems into some form of hybrid, at least this will hopefully spread around desirability.Clockworkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00565064315360664711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-56783967380462118522012-01-21T12:28:21.175-06:002012-01-21T12:28:21.175-06:00What I don´t understand is why all main stats has ...What I don´t understand is why all main stats has to come from same color. <br />From my perspective it would be nicer to have a system of like red gems for casters,brown for tanking,green for healing,yellow for melee.<br />Then have 2-3 gem colors for the hybrid gems.Xaktsarothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-38472908872169988972012-01-21T12:25:18.214-06:002012-01-21T12:25:18.214-06:00Blue gems were a joke in Wrath. Cataclysm fixed t...Blue gems were a joke in Wrath. Cataclysm fixed that. So put blue gems in the belt, and upgrade when you can afford it.<br /><br />The dominance of red is more of a problem than the epic situation.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-73302134678465369762012-01-21T07:07:56.865-06:002012-01-21T07:07:56.865-06:00Honestly I agree with you that this system is most...Honestly I agree with you that this system is mostly a failure. They haven't even buffed the other raiding professions to match each other despite buffing JCing initially during the PTR (and then reverting the buff) making blacksmithing overpowered again.<br /><br />Honestly I think they are just waiting until more people have an appropriate amount of epic gems. This system has been a really huge gold sink for the players that are really dedicated to progression raiding, which this expansion has lacked a lot. Though I guess it's not really a true gold sink since it's not going to some npc for 5k gold each... *shrug*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-24029272805533716412012-01-20T19:02:45.110-06:002012-01-20T19:02:45.110-06:00This is the eighth week of raiding T13. Assuming ...This is the eighth week of raiding T13. Assuming you've killed 8 bosses a week that's easily 40,000g you should have made already in gems.Stekonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-8659884618663355282012-01-20T18:16:50.738-06:002012-01-20T18:16:50.738-06:00JC will be a useles profession if you can fill eve...JC will be a useles profession if you can fill every slot with an epic gem.<br /><br />That means they have to boost it. And if they do they might end up with the mess from WotLK where they had to change every profession bonus.Kringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128630042421602039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-19688835600699583552012-01-20T16:35:09.725-06:002012-01-20T16:35:09.725-06:00Did we really need epic gems at all?
It seems to ...Did we really need epic gems at all?<br /><br />It seems to me that everything would have been fine with just the blue gems, and Blizzard only put in epic gems because everyone expected them.<br /><br />Also, I'm a fan of the idea that gems should be secondary stats only. Primary stats being so good makes red the dominant color for everyone, and more variety would be nice.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.com