tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post8645307487550585856..comments2023-12-13T05:38:56.001-06:00Comments on Gray Matter: Patch 3.2: A few Reminders.Graylohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-18854361409061611262009-09-25T15:45:15.497-05:002009-09-25T15:45:15.497-05:00I realize you may no longer be responding to comme...I realize you may no longer be responding to comments on this post, but I had a quick question. I'd been feral tanking for a while, and just recently started trying to run as a boomkin. I understand the general rotation, and tend to do pretty well (in pure dps terms) on simple tank n' spank fights. But for more complicated stuff (with various adds, like Freya, or with fancy footwork, like Hodir), I have trouble finding a rotation that works. <br /><br />I assume that, at some point, adds are too small to bother DOTing and doing an eclipse rotation (though we don't have anything with more burst damage, I guess). Freya's 3-pack, for example, I tend to feel like I don't have time to build up to decent damage before they go down (or, worse, if eclipse procs right off the bat and I get lucky with crits, I can bring my target down far too quickly). Is there a cut down rotation, or some pure burst rotation you would suggest for this sort of thing?<br /><br />Similarly, for something like Hodir where movement requirements will often prevent us from taking full advantage of eclipse when its procs, should I change my rotation up in some manner? <br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />--AuricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-81073581345311366382009-08-26T18:00:57.381-05:002009-08-26T18:00:57.381-05:00Can someone explain the meaning of the "with ...Can someone explain the meaning of the "with lag" column in the spreadsheet above?<br /><br />Im in Australia on an Oceanic Server, 500-600ms latency is the norm for everyone here.<br /><br />Am I right in guessing that Crit is way more valuable than haste under those conditions?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10288576354881710691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-21402427974215837732009-08-18T09:13:34.254-05:002009-08-18T09:13:34.254-05:00@Lilly
In my opinion you should go for the idol a...@Lilly<br /><br />In my opinion you should go for the idol as soon as you can get it. It is a big upgrade over the other idols available, and fairly cheap. Plus, It will take you weeks to get 2T9.<br /><br />I don't know what type of raiding guild you are in or what your options are, but also remember that once the Heroic 25man stuff becomes available, you won't need EoTs to get that level of Tier gier.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-6060990368646756402009-08-17T16:59:31.183-05:002009-08-17T16:59:31.183-05:00Since the patch is still quite young and there is ...Since the patch is still quite young and there is a certain EoT's deficit this little owl has a little dilema. Should I let the urge of getting new shiny goodies out and buy the new idol asap or keep the badges for 2xT9 (I have the 245 ones in mind). I know both of the choises should be nice upgrade ... most likely tier will be bigger also due to item upgrade ... I just don't know yet if the difference is significant enough to wait.<br /><br />Lilija<br />EU-Burning LegionLilijahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084109517825847060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-37374070924806843312009-08-10T15:34:01.398-05:002009-08-10T15:34:01.398-05:00"Having a new rotation will change the way we..."Having a new rotation will change the way we value stats. Here are the new stat valuations I posted a couple of months ago."<br /><br />Do you have a post with all the caps. Like Hit has a 237 cap so don't load more than 237 or you are waiting a stat? I need to learn to make better choices when it comes to /rolls for gearPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-78940038692851693152009-08-10T14:29:34.922-05:002009-08-10T14:29:34.922-05:00@Raysa
If you are, say, 1000 damages away from ki...@Raysa<br /><br />If you are, say, 1000 damages away from killing a boss even in Heroic mode... (because the DoT works on the debuff, the real effect is even smaller) then you are completely right.<br /><br />On the other hand, if you happen to aggro a boss and have to pause to let the tank grab the aggro back, you are most likely to lose a lot more damages than the damages you may gain from casting wrath first.Hotballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04496235628696610280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-84903490860352032552009-08-06T02:03:45.958-05:002009-08-06T02:03:45.958-05:00DoTs use the caster's spellpower and buffs fro...DoTs use the caster's spellpower and buffs from the moment they're cast. So a DoT cast under the effect of a spellpower trinket proc or a Rune of Power/Shadow Crash will retain its bonus until it expires or is overwritten. Debuffs on the target, however, are applied per tick, so you can apply E&M and see the benefit on the next tick.<br /><br />Pre-2.2, Lifebloom retained spellpower bonuses when refreshed; now it doesn't. But it still retains a spellpower bonus until refresh even if the bonus fades from the caster before then.Hamlethttp://elitistjerks.com/f73/t59457-moonkin_beginner_guide_updated_3_2_a/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-74696656966992126682009-08-05T08:33:42.225-05:002009-08-05T08:33:42.225-05:00@Dom
How I socket items depends on the item. Take...@Dom<br /><br />How I socket items depends on the item. Take a look at my gear for an example. I skipped the socket bonus on my staff because I get more damage out of two red gems then I would by meeting the socket bonus. In my boots, the sockets are one red and one yellow. Its better to meet the socket bonus because it gives me more damage. Then look at my pants. No red gems. Some people may think I'm an idiot, but I need two blue gems to activate my Meta gem. I might as well meet the socket bonus there because I'm already very close to it. And yes, Reckless to 400 haste and then Potent.<br /><br />@Phil<br /><br />There isn't really a good way to swap idols to take advantage of both. Some people on EJ did some math on the subject and found that it was a very small increase for a lot of work. Just get 25 EoTs as quick as possible and get the new idol.<br /><br />I bought a ton of gems with my old emblems. If you were quick about it you could have made some decent cash selling the gems on the AH but the prices seemed to have dropped already.<br /><br />@Anon3<br /><br />The change to Owlkin Frenzy doesn't change anything for me. I rarely need the extra mana so I is still not a part of my build.<br /><br />@Raysa<br /><br />I haven't tested this but I don't think that is how DoTs work. It is my understanding that DoTs and Heals are based upon your current buffs, and the targets current Debuff.<br /><br />So if you cast your spell before you have all the buffs and debuffs then the first tick will hit for 1000 lets say. Then after all the buffs are applyed in the next 3 second your second tick will hit for 1500.<br /><br />I could be wrong on this but I think this is a product of when resto druids would roll lifebloom on multiple targets. They would blow trinkets and every buff they could to increase the first spell cast as much as they could. Then after all the buffs and Debuffs went off they would just refresh the spell and maintain the higher level of healing.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-13242068735079689132009-08-05T03:52:15.804-05:002009-08-05T03:52:15.804-05:00@Graylo - EaM
you are right about the aggro thingy...@Graylo - EaM<br />you are right about the aggro thingy, BUT: i am not realy sure about that, but i think DoTs have to be put up again to get the EaM bonus, right? so if u think of 13% more dmg on ALL <b>first</b> DoTs in your Raid, that sould be alot of dmg. so in dps-critical fights like hodir-hm i would think about this. but i didn't think about that either till now. ^^<br /><br />@Hotball<br />sorry, you are totally wrong. in fights like IC-HM or Hodir-HM every second, every single DPS counts! Many Guilds used to kill Hodir-HM within the last 3 seconds and IC-HM is also DPS intensiv in p3.Raysanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-64943333862401680842009-08-05T02:53:10.186-05:002009-08-05T02:53:10.186-05:00Regarding spec changes, does the change on owlkin ...Regarding spec changes, does the change on owlkin frenzy have any impact on pve?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-53410556749920746762009-08-05T01:49:05.431-05:002009-08-05T01:49:05.431-05:00@Phil
my understanding is that we can use the mil...@Phil<br /><br />my understanding is that we can use the millions of EoH's we've all stockpiled to buy the new epic gems ?<br /><br />10 badges for some of them and 20 for others...although i have no idea on the stats of the gems we can purchase.<br /><br />I'm certainly hoping to be able to kit myself out with improved gems and maybe sell a few on the AH ?Kheldarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-24059892289844208952009-08-04T18:11:35.435-05:002009-08-04T18:11:35.435-05:00Great, more grind content, fun, oh, wait I don’t l...Great, more grind content, fun, oh, wait I don’t like not having fun when playing a game; I wave my little white flag towards the North. There is a reason I haven't gotten exalted with the Sons of Hodir with any of my toons yet. I know shame on me right… But when you have little time to play and you don’t want to just solo it for WEEKS on end what are you to do? I don’t think I can properly explain how much I hate the grind. At least people will want to do 5 mans again. <br /><br />I wonder what I should do with my old badges. Did someone say what would happen to them?<br /><br />About our rotation… should we now change our idol during our rotation to get the best result with the new proc system? Or does it not work that way?<br /><br />~Gargen of Vek’nilashPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10607598992905430655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67247725846737492852009-08-04T16:39:54.013-05:002009-08-04T16:39:54.013-05:00Quick question for you guys so for regem of all ge...Quick question for you guys so for regem of all gears I am a JC. So would I pretty much just put the new runed dragon eyes 3 of them in red sockets since they arent pris anymore. Then for the blue slots put in the new Purified Dreadstone or do you think it would be a good idea to put in the new Runed Cardinal Ruby. So pretty much just asking opinions of what to use at each color slot now. <br /><br />Also I am assuming once we get haste cap of 400 for yellow sockets we would do half sp/ half crit now instead of haste as wellDomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-44861300806620793602009-08-04T15:30:37.198-05:002009-08-04T15:30:37.198-05:00Yeah, I always put faerie fire first because it...Yeah, I always put faerie fire first because it's safe. If I happen to target the wrong guy I won't break the sheep or something. It's just a simple safety measure.<br /><br />When killing a boss, it won't matter either because a few seconds without earth and moon is not a big deal when it takes several minutes to kill the boss.Hotballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04496235628696610280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-43148398489707452202009-08-04T14:31:14.132-05:002009-08-04T14:31:14.132-05:00@Vidi
I see your point, but casting DoTs first ha...@Vidi<br /><br />I see your point, but casting DoTs first has its own advantages.<br /><br />I like putting DoTs up first because it gives the tank a little time to generage threat before I nuke. If you get a couple of unlucky crits you could pull aggro. With 3 GCDs the tank should have a little buffer.<br /><br />It probably doesn't really matter either way. The DPS gain from having EnM up a couple of seconds earlier is probably pretty small and comes with some added risk. Also, sometimes I will switch targets a little early to debuff the new target before the rest of the raid switchs.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-9552103879443769222009-08-04T14:07:56.630-05:002009-08-04T14:07:56.630-05:00"Start your rotation as you normally would by..."Start your rotation as you normally would by applying Fairie Fire and the DoTs. Then pick a nuke and start casting."<br /><br />Random quibble, but if you're the fellow in the raid responsible for getting the +13% damage on the boss (Earth and Moon), doesn't it make sense to squirt out a quick Wrath after your FF and before the DoTs? Never mind the bonus to our two initial DoTs, I'm thinking about getting the buff up for the rest of the raid's casters so their first couple GCD's get the 13% buff.Vidi of Kargathhttp://www.acdsheep.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-87747347012232468162009-08-04T10:12:44.783-05:002009-08-04T10:12:44.783-05:00In my opinion all set bonuses should be of a simil...In my opinion all set bonuses should be of a similar relative value, and to be completely honest I am a little surprised that 2T8 wasn't nerfed to some extetnt. However, we need to deal with the situation as it is rather than how it should be or might be or could be.<br /><br />It's also important to remember that Moonkin were underpowered in Tier 8, a point that Ghostcrawler made a few months ago. I think Moonkin are underpowered for 2 reasons. First, with the nerf to Imp Scorch we lost a lot of DPS while other classes were compensated a little more then we were. Second, our T8 itemization sucked in T8 but was awesome in T7. Therefore as we killed more bosses, other classes improved more from the new gear then we did.<br /><br />The lost of Imp Scorch will be conpensated for a little bit by the improvement ot Eclipse, and the itemization in T9 is much better than in T8. However, the itemization won't change us over night. We have to kill bosses and pick up loot to see those changes, therefore the OPness of 2T8 is a little bit justified to compensate for our poor itemization in T8.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-67738611641325247362009-08-04T09:54:16.123-05:002009-08-04T09:54:16.123-05:00What I meant is that we should ask Blizzard to ner...What I meant is that we should ask Blizzard to nerf the to good bonus and not to buff the other. In my opinion it is wrong if you build your gear around the bonus because it means that all the non set chest, pants, gloves, shoulder and head peaces are about as useful as spell power plate. :-)<br /><br />We all remember feral T4.2. The problem was not that T5 and T6 was to weak. :-)Kringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128630042421602039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-68646371237192029262009-08-04T09:51:08.223-05:002009-08-04T09:51:08.223-05:00[quote] Saying 15% crit is better than 4% more dam...[quote] Saying 15% crit is better than 4% more damage is like arguing that the 40 haste rating were better than the 50 crit rating on the next tier. [/quote]<br /><br />i think the bonus isnt so good becouse of the crit bonus to starfire, couse its rly 100% even without it, but more about the +15% dmg to wrath.. thats realy huge bonus when we will use "new" upgraded eclipse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-15542350050347253052009-08-04T09:42:51.029-05:002009-08-04T09:42:51.029-05:00@Kring
I think your missing the point. 2T8 is so ...@Kring<br /><br />I think your missing the point. 2T8 is so good that the stats don't make up for it unless you have a full set of T9 at the 258 iLevel.<br /><br />I completely agree that set bonuses don't have to be a noticeable upgrade from one tier to anothe. In my opinion they should be ruffly equivalent. However, there are times when you get a situation like this one where a set bonus is so good that it is hard or counter productive for blizzard to improve on it.<br /><br />I'm not saying that blizzard should have given us a better 4T9 set bonus. I'm happy with what it ended up being, but to ignore that 2T8 is significantly better would just be stupid.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-55582705387391270142009-08-04T09:33:41.134-05:002009-08-04T09:33:41.134-05:00Set bonus are... a bonus. They don't have to b...Set bonus are... a bonus. They don't have to be better than the last set bonus of any tier.<br /><br />Saying 15% crit is better than 4% more damage is like arguing that the 40 haste rating were better than the 50 crit rating on the next tier. Doesn't matter. You get what you get and if you can do good dps with the next tier, that's fine. :-)<br /><br />4T9 should be better than 2T9+2T8 _in total_. Who cares about the set bonus if the stats make up for it?<br /><br />The biggest problem of powerful set bonus is that it completely fucks the people who don't have it.<br /><br />Set bonus should be an optional, funny, nice bonus not a requirement for acceptable dps.Kringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128630042421602039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-58841112276415792512009-08-04T08:47:00.644-05:002009-08-04T08:47:00.644-05:00@Anon
Yes, I'm capable of reading. I'm ju...@Anon<br /><br />Yes, I'm capable of reading. I'm just confirming.<br /><br />@Graylo <br /><br />Thanks.runycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540655599361720264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-81151713025879883672009-08-04T08:33:35.470-05:002009-08-04T08:33:35.470-05:00@Runy
As Anon said going with 2T8 and 2T9 is best...@Runy<br /><br />As Anon said going with 2T8 and 2T9 is best until you can get a full set of T9_258. The 2T8 set bonus is just to good especially with the change to eclipse. I can't wait to get in and raid tomorrow to see how I do. I just wish I could get the new idol right away.Graylohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928540421337175942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-51572582999237086912009-08-04T08:26:49.905-05:002009-08-04T08:26:49.905-05:00runny didnt u read it at all ?
as stated above 2t...runny didnt u read it at all ?<br /><br />as stated above 2t8+2t9 is only good till you can get 4t9 ilvl258. becouse the stats on illv258 is so mutch better than on t8.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3232240169123589462.post-6077666900228533882009-08-04T08:24:33.908-05:002009-08-04T08:24:33.908-05:00That's supposed to be a question mark at the e...That's supposed to be a question mark at the end, there.runycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00540655599361720264noreply@blogger.com