Monday, August 23, 2010

Cata Build 12803: More Small Changes

Blizzard released another patch and MMO Champion was kind enough to provide some of the details. Here is a list of the changes according to MMO Champion.

  • Wild Mushroom changed, only 3 mushrooms can be placed at one time (Down from 5).
  • Cyclone cast time increased to 2 sec. Up from 1.5 sec.
  • Faerie Fire now has a 35 yards range, up from 30 yards.
  • Insect Swarm now has a 40 yards range, up from 30 yards.
  • Starfire now has a 40 yards range, up from 30 yards.
  • Entangling Roots now has a 35 yards range, up from 30 yards.
  • Thorns now lasts 20 sec, down from 10 minutes. Damage increased by 1400% (Deals 447 damage instead of 32)
  • Moonfire now has a 40 yards range, up from 30 yards.
  • Wrath now has a 40 yards range, up from 30 yards.
  • Moonkin Form now increases Nature and Arcane spell damage by 10%.
  • Starlight Wrath now reduces cast time by 0.15/0.25/0.5 sec. (Up from 0.1/0.2/0.3 sec)
Quick Comments:

  • One of the common questions with each Beta patch is what are they going to do about the lack of Nature's Reach and now we know. Almost all spells have a baked in range of 40 yards now, which is 4 up from where on live. The only question I have is why does Faerie Fire and Entangling Roots have a 35 yard range? I wonder if it's a typo or possibly a bug.
  • The change to Cyclone is a part of a larger change to all CC spells. Ghostcrawler talks about the change here. As primarily a PvE player, I don't think this change as much of an impact on me.
  • With a 10% damage buff baked into Moonkin Form, we will definitely be staying in form. I don't have a big problem with staying shapeshifted, but I do hope that they get us some new forms.
  • I expected the change to Starlight Wrath. It didn't make sense to have base cast times of 3.2 seconds and 2.2 seconds.

There is one interesting change in the list above and that is the change to thorns.

Thorns now lasts 20 sec, down from 10 minutes. Damage increased by 1400% (Deals 447 damage instead of 32)

In addition to the text found from MMO Champion, Murmurs is reporting that Thorns also has a 45 second cooldown.

My first impression of this change is positive. Thorns has always been a fairly lack luster spell. Every little bit counts but it is so weak that no one every really cared about it in PvE or PvP from my understanding. Now, it will finally pack some punch.

I think the new thorns will primarily be a PvP tool. It could be great for making melee think twice before ganging up on a single player, or could help you take down someone that isn't paying close attention to where their damage is coming from.

From a PvE perspective the new Thorns is still a better spell but probably less useful then it is for PvP. I think this will be great for throwing on an Add tank, for an extra boost damage and threat. Ultimately it gives us something else to think about which is clearly popular with some moonkin.


Pewpewkitty said...

If we are still able to cast thorns on a tank it would become a significant AoE DPS boost when there are a certain number of adds. I wonder how this would compare to Hurricane in terms of AoE.

Teleph said...

I was thinking along the same lines as pewpewkitty. I'm not sure how it will scale, etc, but for a single GCD (the first of a pull, probably before it would be safe to AoE otherwise) it might be worthwhile. Though I think the real question- the one that decides whether it will get used or not- will be does that damage show up in recount as our dps or as the tank's?

Duskstorm said...


If it shows up for the tank, you'll still be able to see exactly how much damage you caused by looking at the thorns ability on the tank himself.

If you're NOT going to use thorns because you don't get credit for the damage, then I suspect one of these two situations is the case:

1. Your group is blindly looking at recount to measure your performance
2. You are trying to maximize individual performance at the expense of your group

Why does it matter who gets credit?

Pewpewkitty said...

Most likely it would function like ret aura and give the damage credit to the attacker. How its determined on recount is by how the spell is named ie "PPK's Thorns hits target for X damage." or "Tank's Thorns hits target for X damage."

Le_Chimp said...

Now math must be done to work out the DPET of thorns on various boss attack speeds to determine if we should cast it.... YAY! and it wont be a simple answer either as the DPET will change on every boss.

Samwan said...

But that is a job for Graylo :D

Wyatt said...

ok, more important than who gets credit for the damage -- who gets the threat? Is this an ability that moonkins will want to use at pull, like our own mini MD?

Azrael said...

Threat should go to the one buffed, like it does now.

It doesn't look like they changed all that much about the inner workings of the spell, just changing some numbers(duration, CD, damage, mana cost).

Fairly quick and dirty change.