Monday, August 31, 2009

Update to the Gear Lists

Thank You for all the great comments and error corrections. I've think I've fixed all of the ones I've noticed and all of the ones you guys pointed out. The table is now sorted correctly and I don't think there are any Heroic versions ranked lower then the Normal versions. There are a couple of things I want to address though.

Part 1 & Part 2

  1. Two New Columns: I didn't want to do it but I felt I had to. I added two new columns. The Blue column represents the items value if your below 400 haste rating. The Green column represents the items value if your below 400 haste and minus the Hit rating.

    I did this because I didn't want people to undervalue an item because it has haste on it. Haste is still an important stat, and you need to try and get really close to 400 Haste rating.

  2. Horde Names: I originally intended to include the Horde Names in the list, but I couldn't think of a good way to do it that wouldn't grow the list dramatically. If I included them in the list as their own items it would have been confusing for some and make the list a lot longer. If I added the names to the relevant records, it grows the record quite a bit and forces the table to scroll. Ultimately I didn't like the way it looked so I scrapped it.

    I realize this is a little inconvenient for the Horde Moonkin out there and I apologize. I just think it is the best solution since most of the names are very similar between the horde and alliance items. I realize there are a few exceptions but I think we can work around it.

  3. Links: Not all of the new links work yet because the items are not in WoWhead yet. Once the rest of the ToC bosses start dying those links will start to work.

  4. Best in Slot: I did start a best in slot list. I've indicated my choices by putting an asterisk (*) next to the name. I hope to include the comments shortly.


Anonymous said...

How are you inseting Excel spread sheets? and have the links work?

Graylo said...

That's not an excel spreadsheet. Its an HTML table and I just use the normal HTML link language on the text inside the table.

Anonymous said...


nanovivid said...

Thanks so much for these lists!

One way to get tooltips for all items, even those that don't exist at Wowhead yet would be to use MMO-Champion's database and tooltips instead. The MMO item pages have links to Wowhead as well, so people would be able to get to Wowhead, just in a roundabout way. Of course, this would involve redoing all the item links, which probably wouldn't be fun.

Anonymous said...

I do appreciate all your effort. I'm sorry you've left out the Horde names on the Champion's gear - many of the names are not at all similar. I tend to have the list handy while I'm raiding, but it's a waste of time when I'm in ToC.


Anonymous said...

@ Graylo, totaly forgot we can add HTML to our pages in blogger, I am now switching my Bog over to have HTML lists

Dikine said...

I have been reading your blog for a long while now and I must say that it is always helpful. (removes lips from ass). That being said I think that there is a more optimal set of gear that you might have overlooked based on the elimination criteria you listed. My rough numbers are suggesting that if you change these 4 items in your BIS list you would be slightly better off.
Leggings of the Deepening Void to Legwraps of the Awakening
Cord of Pale Thorns to Cord of Biting Cold
Boots of the Mourning to Boots of Unrelenting Storm
Normal Band of Deplorable Violence to Lurid Manifestation
I would very much like to read your thoughts about these changes.
Keep up the great work!

Pucc said...

Its not all that hard to use Graylo's list as a horde. You will just have to have a listing of loot for Horde available. You will be able to fine the item with only a few extra seconds.

Dont grump at graylo because he choose to be silly purple alliance.

Fenouil said...

Graylo, I must say I've been reading your blog for several months now and I always appreciate your work and insight to the moonkin class. I will point out one problem with your BiS gear list however. The Band of Deplorable Violence is unique-equipped, and from what I understand this applies to BOTH versions of the ring, meaning you cannot equip both the heroic and normal versions of the same ring.

In light of this I'd personally recommend something very similar to Dikine's suggestion:
Leggings of Deepening Void -> Legwraps of the Awakening
Cord of Pale Thorns -> Cord of Biting Cold
Boots of the Mouring Widow -> Boots of the Unrelenting Storm
Band of Deplorable Violence -> Firestorm Ring

The Firestorm ring and Cord of Biting Cold should cover the hit lost by swapping out the Leggings of Deepening Void. Plus this change also gets rid of another spirit item without introducing another (Cord of Pale Thorns).

This changes total stats in the following manner:
Original -> Suggested
SP: 2216 -> 2197
Hit: 231 -> 251
Crit: 713 -> 841(!)
Haste: 472 -> 438
Red: 6 -> 6
Yellow: 7 -> 8
Blue: 3 -> 3

I'm looking forward to your continued blogging, thanks for all of your hard work!

Graylo said...


My log is set up to use the WoWhead links, and I don't really want to go and add more code to a template I don't really understand. As is I won't be surprised if H ToC is cleared this week and all of those heroic items will be appearing on WoWhead soon. So, I thinking it won't be a big incovenience.


I did only a quick look but if I made the changes you suggesting I'm coming up short on Hit. Plus Lurid manifestation is the Horde version of the Band of Deplorable Violence. There for you can not have both.


Well that sucks. I had wondered if that was possible but I choose to ignore it. It does make sense though. I will have to adjust the list then.

Arzosah said...

Here's something to consider while you still have your BiS list close in mind, mind that this is made with horde items:
Head - Conqueror's Nightsong Cover
Neck - Cry of the Val'kyr
Shoulders - Runetotem's Mantle of Triumph - Chest Runetotem's Vestments of Triumph
Waist - Cord of Biting Cold
Legs - Conqueror's Nightsong Trousers
Feet - Boots of the Unrelenting Storm
Wrist - Bindings of Dark Essence
Hands - Gloves of the Lifeless Touch
Finger1 - Lurid Manifestation
Finger2 - Firestorm Band
Trinket1 - Flare of the Heavens
Trinket2 - Illustration of the Dragon Soul
Back - Aethas' Intensity
MainHand - Suffering's End
OffHand - Chalice of Searing Light
Ranged - Idol of Lunar Fury

All and all giving me:
Spell Power: 3636
Spell Hit: 17,52%
Spell Crit: 49,27%
Spell Haste: 25,29%

Sustained DPS Rotation: MF/SF
Burst DPS Rotation: MF/SF
Sustained Damage Points: 7374,71
Burst Damage Points: 7374,71
Overall Points: 14749,43

Nightedahs said...

I think I will try to get these non-heroic items for my raiding Gear:

Malfurion's Cover of Triumph
Conqueror's Nightsong Mantle
Malfurion's Vestments of Triumph
Gloves of the Lifeless Touch
Conqueror's Nightsong Trousers
Bindings of Dark Essence
Cord of Pale Thorns
Boots of the Unrelenting Storm
Drape of Bitter Incanration
Wail of the Val'kyr
Firestorm Ring
Band of Deplorable Violence
Reign of the Unliving
Flare of the Heavens
Misery's End
Chalice of Searing Light

They will give me a total of 2231 Spellpower, 878 Crit, 361 Haste and 229 Hit without any Gems, Socket Bonuses and Enchants. In summary this means a ranking of 4261,2 points.

Changing them to the heroic versions comes to a total of 2426 Spellpower, 926 Crit, 404 Haste and 252 Hit. That's 4876,2 points.

Nightedahs [Khaz'Goroth - EU]

Arzosah said...

Nightedah, the non heroic items doesn't add up to hit cap, nor do they reach the haste softcap which does boost your dps somewhat, however, the hit cap is more important then the haste cap, so make sure you are hitcapped, and that means changing one or two of those items.

Nightedahs said...

You're right, but I till I get all of these items I still have some gear from Ulduar with hit and it should be possible to get 1 or 2 heroic items (Set Tokens, 10player heroic items) quite early.
And as I said this is without enchants. As I'm an Ally Druid with Icewalker Enchant on boots the hitcap is reached and with 23 haste enchant on Back there are only 16 haste rating missing for the softcap.

I'm also trying to figure out if there is any possibility to avaoid cloth items. Working quite well so far but I still haven't found something useful for the gloves or if I use the gloves of T9 which setitem I could change

Nightedahs [Khaz'Goroth - EU]

Arzosah said...

Another good option is going t9 gloves and grabbing another pair of shoulders, 10man heroic drops a nice pair, leather ofc

Arzosah said...

Or you may pick t9 for head and chest, keep t8 for gloves and legs combines great with that shoulder from 10man heroic

Nightedahs said...

Yes you could do that but that's less good than just taking 3 T9 pieces. So I just finished my BiS leather only list.

Malfurion's Cover of Triumph
Conqueror's Nightsong Mantle
Malfurion's Vestments of Triumph
Malfurion's Gloves of Triumph
Conqueror's Nightsong Trousers
Bracers of the Autumn Willow
Belt of the Winter Solstice
Boots of the Unrelenting Storm
Drape of Bitter Incanration
Wail of the Val'kyr
Firestorm Ring
Band of Deplorable Violence
Reign of the Unliving
Flare of the Heavens
Misery's End
Symbol of Transgression

You get 2228 Spellpower, 809 Crit, 352 Haste and 241 Hit out of the normal mode items which is a ranking of 4334. As I'm Alliance Druide the Hitcap is reached and with 3 yellow sockets including SP + Haste gems and Haste enchant on cloak you're on the Haste softcap.
The heroic items provide 2422 Spellpower, 860 Crit, 404 Haste and 266 Hit which is a ranking of 4825.

Nightedahs [Khaz'Goroth - EU]